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Trump Supporters - Do you believe in the Repeal?

Posted: Jul 18, 2017

From what I have heard, if they repeal the healthcare bill known as Obamacare, it does not take effect for 2 years. What are your thoughts on repeal for the sake of repeal?

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I was fine with working on and improving the ACA - anon

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and removing the tax penalty. The ACA was by no means perfect but it was a start. If both sides would have worked together from the start, maybe we'd have better healthcare. Just like most of the messes in our country, this is a shared party problem.

You might have been fine with that, but McConnell - et al AND Trump want repeal

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Just for the shock value, maybe?

And how could any Democrat begin with that?

Unless the R's talk sensibly about IMPROVING or FIXING AHA - inclusive of preexisting conditions and no lifetime limits - and NOT defunding Medicaid unless they have another way to fund health care, that dog don't hunt for D's.

It's all about the rhetoric, and all about badmouthing Obama to them. I doubt any of them would agree to "fixing" anything - then they would have to admit there was something worth fixing there, which they will never do.

It's not about bathmouthing anyone. Those who get - subsidies get the most attention. The

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rich can afford it. It's the rest of us stuck in the middle who are affected by the cost. We just want someone to LISTEN TO US for a change.

Indeed - anon

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Simple truth is, my party (Republican) refused to help fix healthcare. I do remember McConnell stating he would never work with Obama and that's the one pledge he kept. It's sad to see both parties going down in flames but when it's all about the votes and winning, neither part will work for the good of the country. This has been a problem for years now. As for healthcare, I do not see a resolution on the horizon and that does leave us to suffer. Perhaps it's time to throw out both parties?

People don't seem to - understand

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that EVERYBODY has to get health insurance for the ACA to work. Removing the tax penalty is only going to make it worse. A lot of people on here talk about businesses doing what they have to do to survive. Well, an insurance company cannot survive if only sick people have insurance and they have to pay out claims and receive no money from healthy people.

I simply don't see why people cannot understand this.

Tthe people paying for it are paying outrageous - monthy insurance premiums like

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$2000 a month on top of $6500 deducible. People don't buy it because they can't afford it, and on top of that if you don't you have to pay a fine!

who can afford a monthly premium that costs more than a house payment?

Like I said, you don't get it. You wouldn't - be paying those rates

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if everybody had bought insurance and if the governors who had taken the option of the expansion. I have read where some of these governors are now complaining how people in their states are suffering now because of the ACA. Go figure!

You still would be paying outrageous rates because - everyone in a high risk pool has to be

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covered.

The governors were paid off by federal money for Medicaid expansion. The insurance companies were for it because they could sell more insurance policies.

Telling people they have to buy insurance whether they can afford it or not is wrong.

Only repeal if it is replaced with something - sm

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better. The ACA really messed me up and I now have no insurance since I could not afford it. So, like the poster above, if they can improve the ACA then that would be fine, or if they replace that with something better, that is fine as well. So, in answer to your questions, I do not support repeal just for the sake of repeal, only if there is truly a "happy ending" as a result - or at least a reasonably happy ending.

Happy ending - People seem to have forgotten

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When the ACA was being worked on, pubs had signed a letter promising to obstruct everything that Obama proposed on everything. They literally let us keep paying their salaries after they openly promised to NOT work. Many of the ideas in that healthcare act were taken straight from republican previous ideas. They cannot save face now by pretending to "save" us when we could have been working on this all those years while pubs refused to participate. It was always said that the act would be tweaked and fine tuned as we learned more and the signers of that letter refused from day 1. Saying they are repealing something to save the day has NOT miraculously erased our memories.

Obamacare was, is and always shall be owned - by the Democrats. To date, the

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REPUBLICANS have not touched it and never voted for it to begin with.

They campaigned on repeal (I don't mean Trump) but many didn't mean it. They didn't think Trump was going to win, and now they actually have to repeal it.

This is why I've been saying Washington is the Uniparty.

Well the purposeful - collapse of

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Obamacare is and always will be owned by Trump and the Republicans - they moaned and whined about it for 7 years, but didn't even come up with anything in that time. They ran on platforms promising to replace it with something better (and yes I mean Trump too), but had nothing that was even remotely as good and definitely not better. They will own this forever unless they start looking at what the American people need and stop trying to obliterate the past president and working WITH the democrats for a darn changed. No one will forget if they don't!

I agree with the 2 posters above me. - TrueBlueAmerican

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I wish both sides would come together not only on the health care issue, but on all issues. I wish the democrats would stop obstructing and trying to find something awry with the president. He is the president. We all have to accept that, move on from there and work together for the good of the people, for the good of the nation and for the good of the world. If we want another president in 2020, we'll have one then.

Right now we pay $2000 a month (more than our house payment) - and after that $6500 deductible.

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Somehow those of us in the middle have been forgotten. Why can afford that?

State legislators have for years piled mandates on insurance companies which is a big part of what health insurance has become so expensive. There must be a true free market in health insurance and care, or we will continue the slog towards socialized medicine. Actually, we pretty much have that now which is why it’s such a mess.

You are like the majority of Americans stuck in the - middle, but we are not getting

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the attention that those who quality for subsidies are getting, even though out premiums are what pay for it.

I believe that we need to allow people to buy policies - that suit their own needs and pocket books.

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Like the way cable should be. Only buy what you want. Right now the insurance companies have to cover everything, which raises the cost.

If people are worried about preexisting conditions, then we can address that without forcing the rest of us to pay $1500 a month on top of a %5000 deductible.

We can address pre-existing conditions separately - but they shouldn't call it insurance.

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If your house burns down you don't go get a policy after the fact. It's just a fact. I'm not trying to be crude.

We are a compassionate society and help people all the time. Look at all the social programs out there already!

We can set up a program for this at half the cost of what we pay right now, but it's not insurance. This is why it's so hard to get anything done politically. You can't even state a fact like this w/o some politician saying "you want to kill people."

If Obamacare had done what it promised we wouldn't be - in this situation. What happened to

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the $2500 I was supposed to save? Instead my insurance has gone up 40%. Why? To pay for everyone else.

It is NOT affordable to those who don't get subsidies.

We were lied to.

Kind of hard to do anything when people are out - there accusing you of "people will die"

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and rhetoric like that.

Just clear away the stumbling blocks. Let the market work. Sell people what they want and what they can afford. The government shouldn’t be selling a product or forcing people to buy a product. The government should simply allow companies to sell and allow the people to buy.

Covering preexisting conditions is a MASSIVE new entitlement program. No way around it. It will have to be subsidized by fedzilla. And you know what that means.

Maybe an atlas shrugged moment by those that have been footing the bill needs to be considered.

Subsidizing pre-existing conditions isn't insurance. - It's welfare. Obamacare underwrites

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this.

Everything always stays the same — until it doesn’t.

The current fact of life is that entitlement programs never go away. Once established, they are immortal.

Obviously neither of the above two posters - Have cancer or any medical

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Conditions...or relatives...or friends. Must be nice. My MIL is 3rd strike breast cancer. What would you propose she do for healthcare?

I am beginning to - think that the

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answer is that they don't care as long as they don't have to pay any extra! So much for conservative Christian values! I don't know how you can say you are a conservative and want to get back to the values this country used to have and then not want to help anybody in need. Maybe they think people with breast cancer cause it themselves - like not exercising or drinking sodas etc. My prayers with your MIL and I hope this health plan fiasco gets resolved without hurting her!

We do help people in need. Why do people always bring up - religion to make emotional arguments?

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We can provide for people with preexisting conditions and set up a separate entitlement program and call preexisting conditions plan or the high risk pool. Obamacare actually had that.

We are not opposed to people with preexisting conditions being treated. But it isn't insurance. It raises everybody’s premiums.

We are a compassionate society and we do treat people, but don't call it insurance.

If you want to underwrite this you can do it at half the cost of what Obamacare costs right now, but it's not insurance.

As a country we help people ALL THE TIME. Welfare, food stamps, homeless shelters, free clinics, we help the hungry, the thirsty, we even provide education and health care for illegal aliens.

To say "So much for Christian values" is a joke. We help people all the tie and do it on a personal basis. When the govt starts doing it, that's not compassion. That's power for votes.

I'm part of Glenn Beck's Mercury One Foundation and Nazarene Fund . We raised $17 million on our own with no celebrity spokesperson out there. This money was used to help Christian refugees being killed by ISIS. We also raise money to help victims of floods and other crisis situations.

I also belong to a Christian organization that raises money to help pay for people's medical bills.

So as you can see, there are many options available other than govt. You just don't know about it and because they don't pander for votes and power. They do it out of compassion.

A member of my family has had cancer and my father - died from lung cancer. He

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had an insurance plan that covered much of his treatment. This was back in 2005 before Obamacare.

Rhetoric you say. Well maybe you are blessed - with perfect health but

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many, many are not and will be dying if they can't have access to health insurance and treatment for preexisting conditions. It was a very scary feeling before the ACA when I could not get insurance because I had diabetes. By the way, I was not a fat lazy slob who sat around eating bonbons all day. I was active, ate healthy and thin person who just had the luck of the gene pool.

Too many Americans suffer from obesity, diabetes, low - energy, chronic fatigue, depression,

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etc. Modern medicine just treats this with drugs. Sometimes it's because of faulty diet and sedentary living.

The human body functions according to laws. We needs fresh air in the lungs, not tobacco smoke. Pure water, not soda or stimulants. Exercise and walking. Sunshine, proper elimination caused by neglect and nutrient-less foods.

We are made up of 16 elements of matter and 12 of them are alkaline-reacting mineral elements and 4 acid-reacting carbohydrates. Our typical American diet is the exact opposite of this and we eat too much refined sugar.

I learned this from some of natural health sites.

Start changing your diet and you will feel better. I did. I'm not saying it's a cure, but it sure beats feeling bad all the time. I lost 40 pounds.

Funny how Michelle Obama was blasted - for trying to get people

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to do exactly what you are saying we should do.

Obamacare should be repealed. Sure, the Democrats - will say it's "heartless" and "

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and it would make the GOP “look bad” — but what else is new. The MSM and left has been doing this for years.

When push comes to shove, a good portion of the GOP Establishment are amiable dunces attuned to the bidding of Chuck Schumer.

There must be some unseen and obscene forces at work that prevent all the Democrats and an unhealthy proportion of Republicans to NOT see the great wrongs that Obamacare has visited upon America.

Single-payer is NOT an option in any free society. To the degree it has been adopted, single-payer has been the means by which ALL advances in medicine have been brought to a screeching halt.

Only in circumstances where there is a philanthropic benefactor, or a reliable fee-for-service, have the true advances in medicine ever been accomplished. Otherwise we would still be sewing up wounds with thread, treating infections with vinegar and blood-letting, and giving cancer patients mercury compounds. Life expectancy and recovery rates would be much lower.

Medical treatment is a rare and relative expensive option, to be used sparingly and in instances where the body cannot repair or restore itself by its own natural defenses. Doctors know that most ailments will not last more than a short while, and it is usually better in the morning. It is the chronic and high-morbidity sort of afflictions that really need the medical professional’s attention.

And we need to learn and pay attention to the difference.

Obamacare had high risks pools for people with - preexisting conditions.

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Guess what...hardly anyone signed up so they shut them down. The point is, the number was relatively small.

The number who has this is pretty small and can be accommodated, but this isn't insurance. It's welfare. But it's not insurance.

Repeal the "affordable care act." It's not - affordable. The RINOs will not do it.

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They don't want to.

I say let it crash, a little pain will be good for everyone... - Not a supporter sm

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The Pubs don't have enough votes to do what they really want. Just like the Dems in 2010. If they try to shoehorn something through we'll be in the same place we are now.

The best option is to let the ACA fall apart and rebuild it.

Let the voters decide. If they want a Pub plan, or the Dems keep obstructing too much, they'll give the Senate to Trump in 2018. If they want something bipartisan maybe they'll give a few more Dems seats in 2018.

People need to think of health insurance the way they think of car insurance. What would your car insurance cost if it covered gas and oil changes? Or if the government gave subsidies for people who couldn't afford a car or any of the maintenance? What would gas and oil changes cost if the mechanics knew they could ratchet up prices and have a 3rd party insurance company pay the bill?

Off the top of my head, there could be two basic insurance plans:
* One catastrophic plan that everyone pays into and covers major surgery for everyone that everyone pays into through taxes.
* Then a second plan that covers office visits, pregnancy, drugs, and other routine healthcare not covered by the catastrophic plan. This 2nd plan is optional and people pay for that themselves.

Ditto. Right now they are forcing everyone to pay for a Mercedes - when some of us only want a Chevy.

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Your two basic insurance plans make sense to - me, but through tax compulsion

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Would probably be a no go for the hard right, no?

It is a very simple plan which makes sense. Possibly a third option would be if employers wish to offer the extra plan as a benefit of a job.

I think the catastrophic plan should have the scope to work in those with pre-existing conditions, those with conditions which are prohibitively expensive (such as children needing cancer treatment).

Funding such a plan through taxes is always met with derision by Republicans, in fact the Supreme court case was about much the same. Yet it is how many countries fund this and it is much easier on the pocketbook if it is spread this way.

Also, it can't be considered welfare if everyone is paying for it, right?

It will never fly, I'm afraid, but from God's mouth to Trump's ear, this would solve all his problems with his promises and allow him to rise above the abomination Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan came up with (in essence, not a plan at all, just a plan to extract money FROM health care).

Yeah, and like other entitlement programs - Not a supporter sm

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Whatever they set the rate at now will be outdated in a few years. Then, any changes to make it solvent will be met with resistance and no politicians will want to make the unpopular choices.

Maybe a federally mandated health savings account that comes out of our checks or self-employment tax, but we can't touch it unless it's for something huge, like cancer treatment, CABG, etc.

That way, you pay into it when you're young and have it later when you need it. Not sure what to do about the people who would be caught in the middle, like those who are middle-aged now... They'd have to start paying into it, but maybe the government could match funds if they needed to use it and couldn't cover the cost.

The government can pay for catastrophic healthcare (like cancer treatments) for children and the disabled.

I'm glad I'm not a politician. :) I don't have to calculate the costs and work around the corner cases and what-if scenarios.

Regarding health savings accounts - anonie

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When I had a health savings account that at that time paid for things like office visits I might have when insurance was insurance and strictly for hospitalizations or some outpatient procedure or test of some sort.

I was told I had to use it in the year I had it or lose it. To me unless they make those health savings accounts roll over from year to year, what good will it be to have them just to pay for the premiums on insurance.

I think that the congress should just set the rules for insurance to operate especially the pre-existing conditions clauses and other such nonsense and stop pandering to any party or particular bunch of people or those who lobby for a living.

I personally think it is time to just set down the rules and let the insurance companies decide what they will abide by. They should be watched so as not to be like Comcast and bundle things together and keep gouging you when they take away channels and leave you with virtually nothing to watch.

These businesses need to know that they deal with people on fixed incomes, low incomes or middle incomes. Not all of us are rich enough to afford what these elites in DC seem to feel we can.

I agree totally with - you

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I would never put money into a health savings plan that I would lose if I did not use it. I do think I heard that the pub plan did let that roll over, but that is not going to help people who live paycheck to paycheck who cannot afford to put much, if anything, in a health savings plan.

Just stand back and watch it implode. I was in favor of - a repeal with a 2 year sunset,

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but we know what is going to happen.

They will wait until the last minute, extend it a few times and then do “emergency” legislation that nobody can see and pass it in the middle of the night.

Like they did with Obamacare.

The principle will be Obamacare continues on its - current trajectory of killing

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the insurance industry and paving the way for single payer, as designed.

The full repeal bill will be deader than dead - probably get votes in the low 40’s. The Cruz Amendment would have gutted Obamacare and given people real insurance options, but it wasn’t a technical full repeal. So, liberals and RINOs find themselves celebrating separately but together tonight.

Uniparty wins.

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