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To Mrs. Tingles and others of like minds
Posted: Jan 7, 2014
I'm surprised you have never read Ayn Rand as she is right up your alley. Also many TP's are her disciples. If you do read "The Fountainhead" and "Atlas Shrugged." Try to remember that she came from a communist society and so swings all the way to the other side. While I don't subscribe to her philosophy, the books are very readable. "The Fountainhead" was made into a movie a long, long time ago starring Gary Cooper.
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Thank you for the suggestion. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]May I suggest you read the president's college transcripts, if you can ever find them.
Believe it or not - old and burned out
[ In Reply To ..]I was not being facetious. I really do think Mrs. Tingle and others of a similar persuasion will enjoy Ayn Rand. As for the president's college transcripts, what's the point? And do you really mean his transcripts or his college writings? We all change to a degree from our college days to maturity, most of us becoming quite a bit less liberal. College is the time to take up causes and carry a red flag if that is your tendency at the time.
I don't recall having ever seen....sm - VTMT
[ In Reply To ..]ANY president's college transcript. What would you expect it to show if you could see it?
Where he was born. - nm
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A real bc - nm
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Do college transcripts include birth certificates? I thought they were - just grades nm
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Why do you think his BC is not real? - nm
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What you **wouldn't** expect - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Here's GW's
No sign of a birthplace on his transcript. - nm
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who said anything about a birth place being on - transcripts? nm
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Hearing him tell the truth - nm
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Why the rudeness? - nm
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You've got to be kidding. You think THAT'S rude? Here's rude.... - Mrs. Tingles - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Rude would be the poster who posted that something would be "right up my alley". That posted suggesting I'm part of the TP group and then said I'm in a group of "similar persuasion"
Or the other poster who said someone didn't have any sanity and called them a racist. The one who has bought into this born in Hawaii thingy as though she has inspected some real bc that nobody else has been able to see yet, but accusing the poster who has not bought into that as though they are not sane. And another racist comment. and the statement "you are an exception and have a logical reason that eludes my comprehension". Now that's rude.
Those are all very rude comments. Especially when the moderator made it clear to stop with the racist comments.
No instead you said someone who wrote Thanks for the suggestion (on the reading material) and suggested they read the college transcripts????
All I can say is wow!
I don't even know what comments you are talking - about.
[ In Reply To ..]The rudeness I perceived was taking a book suggestion that someone wasn't being a smart-alec about and making some comment about the president's transcripts in return.
No, sorry, that was not rude - and thank you moderator - Mrs. Tingles - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Rude was telling someone something is "right up their alley". Since old and I don't agree on issues, her book was not a kind suggestion that I should read it. Just more of the insults that I was used to from the other posts. Yeah, she was being a smart-alec.
The moderator has deleted the other race-baiting comments.
Thank you moderator. It's hard to have any kind of conversation when if someone doesn't like what you have to say they call you a racist.
Yet you don't hesitate to call other people names. nm - double standard here.
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what names - She's never called anyone a name
[ In Reply To ..]Let alone a racist or anything nasty like the posts that are gone.
Thanks, that's what I'm waiting for too...what names. - Mrs. Tingles - nm
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If you remember - old and burned out
[ In Reply To ..]you provided some links in one of your posts. When I commented that one of the quotes sounded like Ayn Rand, you said you were not familiar with her but she sounded like a smart lady. Therefore, I recommended her books. That's all it was. I assumed you would not have cited the articles you did if you had not agreed with them. Ayn Rand is pertinent to politics even today because so many politicians claim to be her followers.
Okay. Thanks for the recommendation. - Mrs. Tingles
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Why surprised? You don't know me - Mrs. Tingles - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Why are you surprised I have never read anything she wrote. I don't know how many books she wrote. There are other authors I have not read. While I have heard her name I don't know who she is or what she writes about. But since you don't know me I don't know why you are saying you are surprised. There is a lot about me you don't know. Since you don't know me how do you know what is "up my alley". You don't know me, don't know who I voted for or whether I even voted in an election (hint - you'd be surprised). Since I also don't belong to the TP or have anything to do with them I don't know why you would even say anything about them being her "disciples". If they are okay, or not okay. I don't really care what they do or who they listen to or what they have to say. I'm neither republican or democrat or TP or communist.
I do however read many other articles of interest (political, historical, science, health, alternative energy, education, etc). I read up on political history here in our country and in other countries, how our founding fathers wrote the important documents that are in place and the reason for them being in place. I understand full well what it would mean for a communist take-over in our country and what that would do to the economics of our country, and not only our country, but how that would affect other countries as well. I study up on issues and philosophy's and I do a lot of research, which helps me understand when someone says they are for something what that really means and what it would do to our country. Because I don't belong to any party I see the good and bad in all parties. I also am able to objectively look at an issue and know full well when someone is lying about something and I am not afraid to say so. I don't care what party they belong to. A lie is a lie.
So I guess I'm puzzled that since you don't know me, who I am, what issues I support or am interested in, who I voted for or didn't vote for, why you seem to think you know this Ayn Rand would "be up my alley". That's a mighty big assumption on your part. Also since you don't know me I would appreciate you not labeling me with the TP party. While I support their right to free speech just like I support everyone's right to free speech, even the communists right, I'm not part of that group. I don't belong to any group.
Geez - old and burned out
[ In Reply To ..]if you don't want to read them, don't read them. The quotes you cited on this board were from libertarians. Ayn Rand was as capitalist and libertarian as you can get and though I don't agree with her, the novels are very entertaining. There are also many references made to her writing in right wing politics.
No, I don't feel like reading them. I am busy enough - but - Mrs. Tingles - sm
[ In Reply To ..]You should never assume to know anyone telling them something is "right up their alley". And suggest they would enjoy them as some group are her disciples.
All I stated was you don't know me so why are you surprised. Don't even know the reason behind your post as you were calling me and others out.
Yeah, geez.....
You said she "sounds like a smart lady." Hence, - the book reccomendation.
[ In Reply To ..]I think you're reading way too much into all this.
And that is all I meant by it - old and burned out
[ In Reply To ..]glad someone understood.
Wow. I am shocked at the response - sm
[ In Reply To ..]When I read your OP, all I saw was a recommendation for a book she might be interested in. I agree, that it would probably be something she would be interested in if she gave it a chance. I make recommendations to people on things that I think they might be interested in all the time. They almost always smile and say thank you. You certainly had reason to believe this Mrs. T would have reason to enjoy these books, so I am shocked at the adamant negative response.
Wow - so now she wants to be Mrs. Tingles new best friend - and all these recommendations
[ In Reply To ..]Because she just cares so much about her.
Oh cry me a river. Sincere? Yeah, and I've got a bridge for sale too.
Do we have to be enemies just because we think differently? - just wonderin'
[ In Reply To ..]I've extended olive branches in the past that were very well received.
Who said anything about enemies - not me
[ In Reply To ..]I'm sure Mrs. Tingles will be excited to have a new best friend that wants to offer her so many suggestions.
What does this entire thread have to do with politics. It looks to me someone wanted to call out Mrs. Tingles and those that agree with her. If she wanted to give Mrs. Tingles the latest scoop from the book of the month club she could have sent her a personal email.
The board is for discussion political issues (at least that is my interpretation of the board), not for calling people out.
Who said anything about best friends? What about plain old fashioned - civility?
[ In Reply To ..]Treating people, even though not face-to-face, with respect?
I re-read the original post. I did not find anything about it offensive. Assuming someone was a TP member may have be an incorrect assumption, but certainly not offensive and IMO, not deserving of the overreactive response. I'm not trying to say how anyone should react. That's a very personal thing and again, this is just my opinion.
I wish this board was just for discussing political issues, but comments like "get a grip," insinuating people don't read about current events, and other personally directed comments targeting intelligence or insulting another poster's opinions on a personal level rather than confronting the issue, really detract from civil, intelligent, and mature discussion.
Opposite of enemies = friends - Who isnt civil?
[ In Reply To ..]First enemies was said, then when it was said back they didn't like it, so then was friends was used and now friends is not liked? I replied in a civil manner. Who is not being civil? Honestly I'm at a loss for words.
I really have no idea why old and burned out is singling out Mrs. Tingles. I know she has had some discussion with her and others in the past, but I think it's a little odd that a poster will single out another with accusations assuming someone is in a party. Mrs. T has already explained that this poster doesn't know anything about her. I would think other posters would leave it at that instead of defending someone who appears to look like she wants to insult Mrs. T by now bringing the tea party into it. As though if Mrs. T would enjoy the books she mentioned because the Tea party does. With all the insults being thrown about the TP, and then a poster telling another poster they would enjoy the books because the TP does (after the TP has been insulted over and over) you don't think is an insult? Really?
I think Mrs. T's response was civil.
I agree with you that this is a political board and should be used for discussing issues. I understand why there are so many arguments too. People are just fed up with what is going on in the government. When people come on and try and make it look like nothing wrong is going on, I can understand why that would make others mad. Especially when the issue affects them personally. I can also understand someone saying get a grip when others display that they are out of touch with what is going on or are just repeating the same lies they are being fed then getting upset when someone brings that up. Or the ones who claim something that is just not true. Because a lot of times I'll read the post and wonder if they are living in a parallel universe and just don't get the news of what is happening in our country.
In all civility I will simply state that I don't think any poster should come on board here, call out another (or group of others out) and then tell them they are surprised at this or that and that they would enjoy something because the TP follows it. Sorry, but that is an insult (at least to me).
Also reading Mrs. T's posts I don't think she belongs to any party. People who don't belong to a party usually don't like others making assumptions with attempted insults. But that's just me.
First best friends was said, I replied with the enemy statement, then - best friends was
[ In Reply To ..]said again. The contextual inference of "new best friend" is different than just using the word, friend. But no, we don't have to be friends, just civil, which I still maintain is lacking in many posts, just my opinion.
Appreciate your civil response :-)
Don't want to be her best friend - old and burned out
[ In Reply To ..]See my post below. The articles she cited sounded just like Ayn Rand so I suggested her novels. They were written long ago and younger folks may have never heard about them. There was no other intent except a read that she might have enjoyed.
Sorry for the mistake - old and burned out
[ In Reply To ..]post is above, not below.
I read Atlas Shrugged when I was in hs - a liberal
[ In Reply To ..]I wasn't into politics hugely at that time, but Nixon mess was close on my horizon, which was my spark.
Anyhow, Atlas Shrugged impacted me more (as I recall--haven't read it since) as a portrait of a very independent woman, and how she would not allow preconceived notions of a woman's place define her as a person.
It was a "self-help" book for me LOL.
I was inspired to re-read it during the election and Paul Ryan, but it slipped my mind. However, after I get through Michael Connolly's books, I might give it a stab.
I think it's a good read for anyone. I also took the suggestion as a good faith suggestion (I definitely wouldn't find someone who referred to me as "a liberal and others of like minds"--a pretty generic phrase--as trying to insult me) to any free-thinking (as in constitutional free thinking) individual.
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