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I disagree with Donald Trump About His Bankruptcies

Posted: Apr 19, 2011

I was just listening to Donald Trump as he discussed things other than the Birther issue. He was asked by George Stephanopolas about his credibility with budget deficits, etc., since he has taken bankruptcy a couple of times.

Mr. Trump said he did not take bankruptcy. He "used" the bankruptcy system in order to make money and made a lot of money because it was a good business deal for him. He bought a business, did not make the payments, then when it was in bankruptcy procedings, he made a really good deal.

Now this must be an acceptable way of doing business, but I've always thought it was honorable to keep the financial arrangements you make. I remember a doctor who went in debt for hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of really fancy equipment for his office, then he took bankrupcy. The other doctors did not look at him as if he had "made a really good deal" but instead looked at him as a poor businessman.

How do the rest of you feel about this? Is this acceptable business behavior in today's business world? Do you approve? Is this an example of a really good business deal, in Mr. Trump's words or would you do it that way?

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About Mr. Trump - Old Pro

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Although I like Donald Trump as a person (no, I don't know him personally, just watch him on TV), I do not respect the way he used the bankruptcy court. I believe in being honorable and in paying your debts. I have gone through some lean times as well as good times in business, but, no matter what, I have always paid my debts. I really lost a lot of respect for Mr. Trump when he declared bankruptcy. I am NOT making wrong anyone who genuinely needs to declare a bankruptcy--that is what it is for--but I think Mr. T. manipulated the system to his own good and that is not what the bankruptcy courts are for. And no, thanks be to God, I have never declared bankruptcy, but I have had several friends have to do it, all for good reasons, most of them medical.

my thoughts - see message

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First, I really don't like when people say "the birther issue". It immediately identifies you as someone who doesn't want to know the truth. If people were to say he's discussing the issue about his birth certificate then it would show that people at least have an open mind.

As for his bankruptcy issue. I think Mr. Trump was smart. In order to succeed you must take a negative and turn it into a positive. That is exactly what he was doing.

"Honoring" something is a personal attribute. Each person, whether they be that doctor you spoke about, a lawyer, a plain ol Joe like me, or a business man like Mr. Trump has their own ideas about honor. Is it honorable that the wall street people and many politicians are making crooked deals and getting rich off of us, no, not to me, but their honor systems are a lot different than mine are. I really don't believe the other doctors looked at him as a poor businessman. Do you know those doctors and what they think about this doctor's bankruptcy? I'm sure they probably were wondering how they could do it too, or they just didn't even think anything of it.

I think in these times people will do what they feel is right for their company. If Mr. Trump felt this was the right thing to do, and in the end it turned into a positive for him then I think it's an acceptable practice and I would agree with him.

Wow - sm

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Why do you think it is okay for a wealthy businessman to use bankrupcy, which is there for people who have really fallen on hard times, to make a large profit for himself? He has abused the system. People in my neck of the woods think it is horrible if they have to file bankrupcy. They do anything they can to prevent that from happening. I guess it is okay since The Donald is wealthy. It seems to be okay if the wealthy abuse the system, but when the lower class people NEED to use the system, they are called lazy, etc.

She thinks it's okay because Trump is talking about the birther issue. - me

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It's her favorite issue. He's talking about it; she loves it.

If it were anyone else, she'd be saying how 'immoral' they were. Can you imagine if Obama had declared bankruptcy? OH, MY GOSH.

People are so good at lying to themselves sometimes.

You said people are so good at lying to - Indy

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themselves. I just want to ask a straightforward question and would like for you to answer it honestly.

Looking at it objectively as an Independent with no iron in the Repub or Dem fire...I have to think he has something to hide, or he would release the long form, which he has not. Everyone born in a US hospital has one. So...why do you think he refuses to release it? I have done my due diligence and I know he has retained lawyers at his own expense in court fighting the release of it. There has to be a reason for that, and I just want to know what you think it is.

Please don't start with the name calling. I frankly don't know at this point if he was born here or if he wasn't, and at this point, it really doesn't matter to me, because wherever he was born I am in total disagreement with the direction he wants to take the country. I was not thrilled with Bush's spending near the end and I am not any happier with Obama continuing that trend and upping the ante even more.

Still, I would just like to know what your honest opinion is as to why he won't release his long form, and why you are willing to accept that he won't. I understand the line of thinking of the people who want to see the certificate...I would like to understand the thinking of those who don't think he needs to. And, with all due respect...don't come back with "he has released it" because he hasn't ever release his long form and refuses to.

Thanks...I do want to understand your thinking.

I'm not the person you are addressing, but I will answer for me - sm

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I have a Certificate of Live Birth that looks very much like the one I have seen online for President Obama.

I have used my birth certificate, which is the one my parents got when I was born and they very carefully kept for me, using it to get me into school, etc., all through my childhood. As an adult, I used it when I got married. I used it this year when I got my passport. I even used it when I applied for membership with the Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR), and it was acceptable to them as they checked my genealogy all the way back to the American Revolution.

The reason people don't want to accept President Obama's credentials is, because he is a Democrat. Pure and simple. It would not otherwise be an issue.

The state of Hawaii issued that certificate to him for him to use, just like the state where I was born issued mine to me, for me to use.

This "Birther" thing is the silliest thing that has happened in our country for a long time. If it wasn't meant for such a hurtful purpose, it would be enjoyable and fun to watch, but it is mean-spirited and ugly, and not fun at all. It will come back and bite those responsible for it and it will be too late for them to fix what they have messed up by all of the 'Birther' silliness.

Thanks for your reply. However... - Indy

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you did not answer my question. I know what he has provided. Apparently the COLB works for things in some states and not in others, from what I read. The point is...if you were born in the US, you have a long form which resides at your state Bureau of Vital Statistics. It is the form that was filled out at the hospital where you were born. If Obama was born in a Hawaiian hospital, he has one too. That is a fact.

He also refuses to produce it. Also a fact. If he will release the COLB, why would he not release the long form if they carry the same information, and why would he retain private counsel to fight requests that he provide it.

Why? That's my question. Why do you think he refuses to provide it?

Did you hear about the space ship seen on the night he was born? - LOL

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I'm not interested in going down the 'Birther' pathway with you. Have fun with your conspiracy theories! Oh and I heard that approximately the time he was born, what appeared to be a spaceship was seen in the skies.

Now why do you feel it necessary to respond - Indy

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like this? The obvious answer seems to be you can't defend not releasing it because there is no good reason not to, toeing the party line. At least be honest about it and stop with the LOL childish name calling, which does not help.

I understand your line of thinking now...cannot divorce yourself from the party line. You could have just said that without the ridiculing. Why do you always feel it is necessary to go there? What about you makes you always take that path?

You got it right below...because they are - bigots. That's what

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bigots do. This group is particularly devoted to it though, I have to admit. lol.

Have you ever been to Yellowstone National Park? - sm

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Remember the signs, Don't Feed The Bears!

Well, don't feed the Birthers. It brings all legitimate conversation to a stop.

Would rather be a birther than a bigot. - that would be you...bigot.

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A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own or intolerant of people of political views, different ethnicity, race, class, religion, or gender.

YOU are a bigot.

uhh oh....that sounds like the definition of - a liberal. Can we start

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calling them "bigots" like they are calling the other people "birthers?"

:) - nm

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Question....if the people on this board - Indy

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who question why Obama won\'t produce the long form...why do they keep bringing it up? Someone else started a \"birther\" thread about Palin of all people and here we are. The same way with Trump....bring it up just to trash a person and then trash anyone who says anything about it...there is something pathological about that...some kind of weird need to trash people.

What IS that?

;) - nm

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nm

With all due respect...you should direct that - Indy

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comment to the one on your side insinuated a "birther" post into the Trump thread and got all this started.

It would be helpful also if you are going to police the board, if you would also state hijacking a thread just to start this kind of thing also brings all legitimate conversation to a stop.

That is, if that was your actual intent. ;)

Says who? You do realize that - - see message

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Just because you don't agree with a subject matter it doesn't mean the conversation is not legitimate. Do you even know what legitimate means? No, didn't think you did. It means to demonstrate or declare to be justified. Since the issue of the birth certificate is a legitimate subject matter and is declared to be justified. That means it is legitimate and all conversation of the aforementioned certificate are legitimate.

I still don't understand why people get their jollies from ridiculing others and calling them nasty names. If you don't want to believe it or look at the facts that are being presented that is your prerogative.

If people want to talk about the birth certificate it is their right without being told to "stop feeding the birthers" If you don't want to participate that's fine, but other people do.

P.S. - The comment was so not cute, and was nasty and uncalled for.

Oh Good Gosh! - sm

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Get over it!!! He produced what he has and it is his birth certificate whether you like it or not. It looks just like mine and my son's and we were both born in the USA. Like the other poster said you Obama bashers need to let it go. Don't you think we should move on to getting this country straightened out instead of such silliness? He's not refusing to provide it, he is providing what he has. I'm willing to bet many or most of the members of Congress have the same thing. I'm willing to bet most of the citizens have the same thing. Get over it!

are you all just limbs of one big brain? - sure sounds like it...

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one great big bigoted brain. Not real attractive, but hey...whatever floats your bigot boat.

Hey, you forgot to call me a socialist! - nm

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Nope, called you a bigot. It fits. What is - interesting is you wear

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it with such honor and pride.

Let me get this straight... - no1joe

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If someone doesn't buy into a kooky consipracy theory, that makes them intolerant of others' views and therefore a bigot??!? Oh that's rich!

Did you read the definition? No one is asking - anyone to buy into

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anything. All people did was express an opinion. Ignoring it if you don't agree is fine, saying hey, you are entitled to your opinion, I respectfully disagree is fine...but when you introduce the thread yourself just so you can belittle and ridicule people, yes, that is complete intolerance for someone else's opinion...the defintion of bigotry. And it is alive and well on this board. You seem to have jumped on the bigot bandwagon, which is suprising really.

Please...none of the others will tackle the question that has been posed numerous times, so how about you? From your posts, you seem to be a reasonable individual...well until this one. But...anyway....the registrar in Hawaii signed the statement saying she had "seen the supporting documents" to the COLB (that would be the long form birth certificate from the hospital where he was born) so one would assume that it exists, unless she is a liar. That is not a theory. It is a fact. If he was indeed born in a hospital in Hawaii, he has that long form. All the hospitals in the US fill one out for every baby born, and the information on the COLB comes from that document. That has never been in dispute that I am aware of. You have one, I have one, and all those people who say the COLB looks just like theirs have one too. So stop with the "theory" lie regarding the long form. He has never presented it and refuses to to this day.

So, if it does indeed exist, if the information is exactly the same sa in the COLB, why would he not just release it? What possible reason could he have for spending is own money fighting release if there is nothing different on it than what he has already released? I would think any reasonable person absent bias would look at that information and wonder if he was hiding anything. Which is where I stand on the issue. I personally could care less about that at this point. There are so many other issues I have with him that one runs a distant last. It does not really surprise me; one of his campaign promises was transparency and he has been anything but from day one.

You seem so intelligent and analytical about other things, yet are just willing to let go of all of that in this case...and the reason for that, the only one that makes sense, is bias. Same reason I guess all the other people asked the question refuse to answer it too. Because they don't have one that makes a bit of sense...just like him refusing to release the thing. Does not make a bit of sense, unless he has something to hide.

Asked and Answered. We need to just use Copy and Paste - LOL

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We each have what our state gives to us to use in our life activities. Nothing else is required.

Asked and answered again.

What you need to do is stop using childish - avoidance tactics....

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but I realize that is way, way too much to ask. Each of you also has the long form that was filled out in the hospital, which is where the information came from for "what your state gives you." You know that too, you just don't want to say I don't care why he won't release the long form because I am a party-line-toeing Democrat who lovvvesssss my President Obama and I don't care where he was born...because the truth in your case sounds reallly.....well, I will let YOU fill in the blank with cut and paste.

You really have lost all ability to think for yourself haven't you? To use your favorite term....LOL.

I'm not getting into the birther issue - no1joe

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First of all, I feel ridiculous discussing it. Second of all, I started explaining my POV regarding it once before when pressed, a very legitimate one, and it was blown off. Why? Because people who are wrapped up in this will settle for no other answer except that Obama is not an American citizen, and that he is a fraud. There's no rationalizing with people who are bent on believing the irrational. If you don't believe me, try talking to a Glen Beck or Jesse Ventura fan.

My comment was regarding your use of the term bigot. Admit it, that's kinda strong. It's extremely insulting to the person it's being hurled upon if not justified, and, face it, if you're really not the target of bigotry and just using it as a means to insult someone else, that's a slap in the face to people who have truly been discriminated against. The birth certificate issue is very much a consipiracy theory. With that being said, people do not have to buy into a conspiracy theory in order to be tolerant. Your use of the word bigot is a low blow and unjustified.

Let's address these issues one at a time. - First, I never said that

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Obama was not a citizen; I never said he was a fraud. I have no way of knowing if he is or he isn't, and neither do you. My problem with him is that he refuses to release a document. He has to have a reason for not doing that, and yes, that is concerning to me. There you go again painting everyone who has a question about release of the long form as a "birther." There is nothing irrational about a citizen of the United States questioning why my President refuses to release a document when asked to by his constituents. If he really wants to be taken seriously when he talks about being totally transparent, I have a problem with refusal to release a document, especially if it supposedly contains the same information in the COLB. I do not think it is unreasonable to ask him to release it. That does not make me crazy or a conspiracy theorist. But again, as others, you will not address the issue and I still believe it is because you are biased.

As to the term bigot...look at the top of the thread. The thread was about Donald Trump and bankruptcy. A poster posted that the reason another poster said something was "she only says that because he talked about birthers." Someone introduced the birther issue into a thread that had nothing to do with that issue, for no reason other than to malign, belittle, and ridicule someone for their belief, whatever that belief is. That is the defintion of bigotry. Again, no one is asking you to BELIEVE what they say. When you choose to bring it up for the sole purpose of ridicule, that is bigotry and calling it what it is is entirely justified. And your slap in the face to people who have been discriminated against is a ridiculous statement.

If you were really as enlightened as you try to present yourself to be, you would call out ugly bigotry wherever it exists, whether you agree with the targeted people or not.

Bigot: A person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.

Please focus on obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his own opinions and prejudices. These people are bigots, and you are supporting them.

Please don't attempt to speak for the rest of us who don't want to be drug into - the Birther Conspiracies

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Speak for yourself, or don't. Frankly, I'm tired of hearing this incessant prattle about birtherism. We had a good discussion going about important matters and it got driven off the track with this nonsense. You can say what you want about what you know or don't know, but please don't assume to speak for the rest of us.

I believe I am speaking for myself. If you read - the post you would know

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that. I said "I". I did not say "we." Nor did I bring up the birther issue. That was one from your side of the fence, who insinuated it into a thread about Donald Trump.

You need to get a grip on your attitude, sis. When did this become a dictatorship where opinion is muzzled unless you agree with the opinion?

Great post, no1joe!! Thank you. - nm

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nm

I think he will produce it to ALL Americans during the - re-election process. sm

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To show the fact that Republicans can't be trusted to speak the truth. I believe he submitted the correct documentation, but it's just not a "special" one that is supposed to be housed in his state. Since birth certificates seem to be a state-by-state status, and after this birther issue is straightened out, he takes away their credibility, and especially the very lame playing field they have now.

Too little too late. It is about honesty - and transparency, which

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he promised and never did. Withholding it just for political punch to thumb his nose at Republicans...is immature and ignorant. Though, seeing how he has conducted himself lately, would not surprise me in the least and would further cement my resolve to vote for whoever they run against him.

It could be that he wants to render the Republicans - completely incredible (sm)

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It's been mainly the Tea Party that is causing all this ruckus because they are the biggest -- I personally believe the richest are involved in it. Certainly, they received a LOT of votes to create a wave such as this in Congress, not the poor/middle class who are, at Tea Party events, are holding up signs that say "Don't touch my medicare."

Who is in favor of stripping away healthcare for all, and who doesn't want them to "touch their Medicare?" They sound like people who aren't too clear on the issues.

The rich, however, are there to get even richer.

Re: ''Thanks for your reply. However...Indy'' - Rina1959

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All the personal insults and ridiculous responses to your post are obvious attempts to intimidate by ridicule. But all the insults in the world cannot change the fact that when one has nothing to hide, one does not spend time and money having records sealed in court. Another conveniently unanswered question is why this president ALSO refuses to release his university transcripts? Why did he ALSO retain private counsel to petition the courts to seal these records also? Previous presidents, including JFK, Clinton and even that notoriously poor student, Bush, all disclosed theirs. Why not this president (oh well, so much for ''transparency''.)

Amazing how people can just ignore all that - ....

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but then again...they are successfully ignoring the deficit too and all on board for spending trillions more.

There is a massive disconnect somewhere between reality and what the Wiz in Wash is spoonfeeding his followers.

Could he simply be truthfully obeying Hawaii law? - nm

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And you are only blindly supporting his - refusal to produce the

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long form because YOU are a Democrat. How is that any different?

If this was Bush, you would be screaming at the top of your lungs that he show the long form.

At least be woman (or man as the case may be) to admit it? You don't care if he has anything to hide or not and you are going to malign anybody who dares question you.

Makes one wonder if you have jackboots and a baton in your closet.

Placation - mbmt

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Obama has proven that he is a natural-born citizen by releasing his birth certificate. Why should he appease people who are going to absurd lengths to discredit him? I have to say that I would not do it.

Why should he appease people? Well for one - thing...he is not just

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anyone, he is their President. He is their President who promised them during his campaign that he was going to have the most transparent administration in history. How does that statement translate to refusal to disclose a document that is no different, to hear people on this board tell it, from the COLB that he has already released. What you are saying is, because you are biased in his direction, you are willing to accept his refusal to release the long form. That's fine and your choice. Others are not so willing and should not be maligned or ridiculed for their opinion.

Your last statement...I have to seriously consider that one. Why on earth, if your long form was the same as your COLB, your constituents, people whose President you are, wanted to see the long form too, what possible reason would you have to withhold it? I guess you said it in the sentence before. Because there is something in it that might be able to be used to discredit him. There is no other reasonable explanation for stonewalling and spending your own bucks to avoid having to release.

Spin that any way you want, but to an Independent who is not riding either party horse...that makes me think he has something to hide. If this was Bush, you would not be defending his refusal to produce the document.

Can't we just be honest about this? In reality, you don't care if he is a citizen or not, but you don't want the proof out there if it exists...any more than he does.

sigh.

Reply and question for you - mbmt

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I would not release the long form of my birth certificate to appease people who were trying to discredit me.

Do you really care if he is a citizen or do you just want him out of the White House?

Reply and answer for you. - First, you assume that

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my concern about release of the long form is about discrediting him or asking him to "prove" his citizenship. It is not. I have said that over and over, but you seem to want to ignore it. I will try one more time, but first I will answer your question.

Do I really care if he is a citizen or not? Yes, but I also think it is a moot point, after all, he is President now and will be until he is voted out, regardless of whether he is a citizen or not. Do I just want him out of the White House? Yes, because I feel like he and the Dem-controlled Senate do not fully comprehend the seriousness of the fiscal state of this country. They SAY they do, but if you talk about cutting current spending they run backward so fast they trip over each other. And yes, that is makes me very concerned for this country.

Now with that being said...my issue is that he is my President too and whether or not I agree with his actions, he promised me on the campaign trail that he would be the President for all people, no Democrats, no Republicans, no parties, EVERYONE. That is what he said. He also said he would have the most transparent administration in the nation's history. Yes, that is what he said. And what he is doing flies in the face of that. It is basically just like he did with Obamacare...thumbing his nose at some of the American people and saying, basically what you are saying, scre*w you, I don't have to show you anything to appease you, I don't care how it looks or what I said about transparency.

So, here I am left with he lied to me during the campaign and he is stonewalling me now. What difference would it make to appease people who are trying to discredit him if in fact he has nothing to hide, in the interest of promised transparency?

The only thing proven here, really, is the fact that YOU don't really care if he is a citizen no matter what the Constitution says, you just want him IN the White House so you are willing to accept an excuse from him you would not accept from anyone else in similar circumstances. Suppose you found a phone number and female first name in your husband's shirt pocket and he said I refuse to tell you what it is because you will use it in an attempt to discredit me. You going to say "well okay of course you are right dear. I wouldn't think of asking you to disclose information that might or might not discredit you, and just because you have an unknown woman's phone number in your pocket that might look bad, it is really none of my business and I just accept your word that there is nothing going on. What was I thinking?" Yep, I can see that happening.

Could almost appreciate your viewpoint, but... - mbmt

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It was the last paragraph of your post that I found to be a bit much. I don't think I said I did not care whether President Obama was a US citizen or not. I do, however, think that he is. In my opinion, it is a huge waste of time going on and on about his birth certificate. You are also wrong in saying that I would care if it was someone else in the White House. No, I would not. If there was a Republican president in the White House, I would not be sitting around obsessing about whether or not he/she was a natural-born citizen.

Again, you miss the point. I am not obsessing - on whether he is a

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a citizen or not. That point became moot a long time ago. He has the job. My issue is that he is President of the United States, my President too, and he promised me the most transparent administration in history. Withholding that document is anything but transparent, especially if he has nothing to hide. It is not obsessive for me, as a citizen of the US, to question why he refuses to produce the document and has spent a lot of his own dollars in court to make sure the record stays sealed...as he has with his college transcripts, which all other Presidents have released. And since I am not a dyed-in-the-wool party member of either party, I don't feel the need to abandon common sense and toe the party line. I am not saying that is why you ignore all the above, only you know why you do.

Another thing...while you say you wouldn't care if a Republican president did not disclose either...that is where we differ. If this was a Republican president who promised transparency and then stonewalled about releasing documents when voting citizens asked for it, then I would be JUST as concerned about him, because I think honesty and openness is important in government. I may be one of the few left who still do, but I do.

As far as obsessed, you are looking at the wrong side. Your side is much more obsessed than I am. The last 3 times a thread about the birth certificate (or birthers as your side loves to ridicule with) was introduced, it was done by your side. Perhaps you should talk to them about obsession.

Thanks for the discussion!

The form he present is allowable, according to - MICHELE BACHMANN. nm

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And she's one of the biggest Tea Party supporters unless she's, of course, started to become more "middle" ground, which I never see her doing, so she MUST be coming clean with some evidence SHE has because now she says that the information he provided is adequate to settle this dispute.

So which is it -- Tea Partiers specifically or, in general, baseline insanity?

Here is your answer - RadMT

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Here is a link to the interview performed by Michael Isikoff, investigator reporter, with Dr. Chiyome Fukino, former Director of the Hawaii Health Department.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38395129/ns/about/

In this interview, Dr. Fukino (a Republican) expresses amazement that these smears persist even with all the evidence to the contrary. Please read the entire interview to gain a complete perspective. However, I cut and pasted a particularly salient portion of the interview below.

--But Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general's office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of "vital records," including an original "record of live birth" â�� even to the individual whose birth it records.

"It's a Department of Health record and it can't be released to anybody," he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.

But if he or anybody else wanted a copy of their birth records, they would be told to fill out the appropriate state form and receive back the same computer generated "certification of live birth" form that everybody else gets â�� which is exactly what Obama did four years ago. --

Obama CANNOT release his long form. It is against Hawaii law. He can go to Hawaii and personally view the document but it cannot be copied or distributed. Period.

The second point, which is even stronger in my opinion than the first, is that the COLB is an abstract of the long form, i.e. it details in short form what is on the actual long form. Hence, when the COLB states the place of birth as Honolulu, Hawaii it is deriving this information from the long form.

For more information on Hawaii vital records laws, here is a link to the official government site:
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html

The truth shall set you free...unless, of course, you enjoy imprisonment.

Hope this helps.

Great post, one based on honesty regarding the - rules and regs of the state of Hawaii.nm

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Well, why doesnt O put this to bed by showing the - darn BC!! He is idiotic too.nm

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nm

That "she" would be me - see message

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It's my favorite issue? Um, hello, but you do not know me and what I believe or don't believe or what my "favorite issues" are.

No, it's not my favorite issue and particularly if he showed the darn thing it wouldn't be an issue anymore and we could move on to other things.

My "favorite issues" are how are we going to get people employed in this country. How are we going to get businesses to grow. How are we going to solve the financial mess we are in. How is the health issue going to get resolved. How are we going to keep our country safe. How are we going to keep our borders safe. How are we going to end the war. How are we going to fix the housing market, feed the hungry, provide a good education for our kids, and most importantly how will we ever get people to be nice to each other no matter how much the agree or disagree on issues. Your reply shows that last statement will never come true. Guess it gives people that thrill up their leg to make fun and ridicule people if they don't believe the way they do.

Also...you have no idea what I'd be saying if other people filed bankruptcy. I agree with Indy below who wrote "it's no different than running up a lot of credit card and unsecured debt and then filing personal bankruptcy. People have been doing it since bankruptcy laws were put in place. So have businesses. Trump is not the first one to do it, but he is certainly the first one to be open about it."

I do not care whether a person has had bankruptcy or not. Whether someone has had a bankruptcy or anything like that does not make a person a good or bad leaders. We've had plenty of bad leaders that never had a bankruptcy. What I do like about him is he has come out on top. He used the laws put into place for that very reason to bring a positive to his businesses. If anyone in the country (including Obama) did the same thing it would not matter to me. Him filing bankruptcy is the last thing I care about. What I do care about is he is a good businessman. I've always like his show and I respect him. Maybe a lot don't like him because he's wealthy and they are envious of that, but I don't. He is someone we can learn from. He knows business and how to run a corporation (which is what the country is), he's intelligent, he doesn't put up with anyone's b.s. he's not a "career politician" only worrying about his financial gain from being in office and not caring about the American people and the country, he isn't interesting in having a "glamorous image or worried whether or not the world adores him". He knows politics, he knows issues, he knows how to put people to work. He has good ideas and he is a leader. He wouldn't put up with any b.s. and he wants the country to do better. We need a person like Mr. Trump to fix the problems and I hope he runs and wins. Not because of some issue about a birth certificate but because he is a strong leader we can respect and the country needs him.

Before you start to tell people you know what I want or what my "favorite issues" are you should at least learn what they are. Otherwise people who claim to know what others want end up looking quite foolish.

Frankly, people game the personal bankruptcy - Indy

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system on a daily basis. Lawyers advertise to help you do it. People run up huge amounts of unsecured debt, get to keep all the merchandise, file for bankruptcy, walk away and start over. Bankruptcy does not disable you like it used to. How many car lots do you see, bankruptcy no problem. Even home loans, thanks to Mr. Frank and Mr. Dodd...you don't have to have good credit or any credit as long as you don't make much money. The honor and honesty of paying your debts no matter what have been thrown out the window.

With all due respect, it is not just the wealthy who game the system. Some of the poor do as well...they game the welfare system.

I really think it is unfair to make broad generalized statements. I am sure Trump is not the only one who uses these business practices, he is just the only one honest enough to admit it.

Congress should not put laws into action if they do not expect people to take advantage of them.

Gaming the system is not relegated to any income group.

True, Trump isn't the only dishonorable person, but he is - running for president

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Sure, other people act dishonorably every day. They aren't running for president. He is. That makes it appropriate and even requires us to discuss how unacceptable his behavior is, and it is.

Did he announce his official candidacy and I - missed it ?- Indy

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So? We have a dishonorable President NOW. - Not much difference.nm

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I was just happy that he was talking about something other than - the endless Birther conspiracies!

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But I don't approve of what he did. It wasn't honorable the first time, and to do it a second time was unacceptable. A person couldn't do it a second time, but he just calls these different businesses and each of them can take bankruptcy. Other business people could operate that way, and some unscrupulous ones do, but most are more honorable than that.

I wouldn't want this guy to represent the USA - all over the world. sm

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For him to not only admit that he abused the system in order to gain more wealth, but to brag about it, as well, pretty much defines a character issue, in my opinion.

China must be shaking in its shoes, which is not a good thing. What Bush was to wars and arrogance, Trump is to money and arrogance.

I don't think we can stand to have yet another clown in the White House that nobody respects. I certainly don't respect him.

What's sad is - sm

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that people would vote for him. There is so much stupidity in this country.

People like that disgust me, but so many people will vote for somebody like that. I think he should be put away for fradulant behavior!

It definitely says something about the intelligence of his supporters - LOL

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I don't think it's against the law for him to get PR by a fake run for the presidency. Behind closed doors he's probably laughing his head off at the people who actually are buying it. Jail? No, what he's doing probably isn't illegal, but I think his reality TV show is about to be history. This kind of behavior gets tiresome and Americans won't put up with it for long.

I was hoping we would not descend again - Indy

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into personal insults. Was that really necessary or helpful?

We descended into that territory when the 'Birther' people arrived and - see message

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We descended into that territory when the 'Birther' people arrived and again when someone said it was honorable for Trump not to pay his bills, because everybody does it, to paraphrase. A remark about the intelligence of such beliefs is appropriate.

Especially since the Republicans brag all the time - about being sooooooo moral.nm

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It is moral to attack a person for having an - Indy

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different than yours or one you do not agree with? is that how you really feel?

Not the OP but it's fine to disagree with unethical behavior - such as refusing to pay your bills

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If a presidential candidate refuses to pay his bills and brags about it, it's worth mentioning. The fact that he's into conspiracy 'birther' theories is also worth mentioning. The guy lacks credibility.

He is not a Presidential candidate. The only - Indy

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one who has announced is President Obama. Why are you so intolerant of someone having an opinion other than yours, to have to descend into ridicule and labeling rather that straightforward discussion?

Why is that? Why do you feel the need to do that?

To an Independent, it shows marked lack of credibility on the part of the President to refuse to release the long form which is supposed to have the same info as the COLB...simple request. He refuses and spent money not to have to. That is a fact, not a theory. I never said he was not born here. I never said he was born in Indonesia or Africa or anywhere else. It is just concerning to me that he refuses to produce the long form. Don't understand why you think it is not my right or that I deserve ridicule because I wonder why he won't. With all due respect, your credibility suffers with that choice.

I just don't understand why you guys feel the need to ridicule and attack people who don't agree with you. It's like you have forgotten what democracy is all about.

It sure seems to me that the Dem-controlled senate and the present administration have. Maybe its party trickle-down. I don't know. I sure don't understand it. And to top that off, you seem proud of it. That is even more puzzling.

So, then I am to assume that you have no - Indy

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common courtesy, or you reserve it only for those who agree with you...and you actually believe that anyone who does not agree with you should be maligned and belittled.

I am curious...what do you think that says about you as an individual? I am not calling you names, I for one don't think that is necessary or helpful...just wondering how you think the attitude displayed reflects on you as an individual...and do you care?

Just how does someone become worthy enough in your eyes to have an opinion other than yours?

'Birther' Conspiratory Theorists lack credibility and I'm not afraid to say so - nm

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With all due respect... - Indy

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the fact that he will not release the long form birth certificate is not a theory...it's a fact. No matter how you want to dance around it.

Are you also not afraid to say that you are intolerant of someone else's opinion and that gives you the right to ridicule and name call? Is that really what you are about? Is that the content of your character?

It comes from all sides, so when you psychoanalyze - these people, please remember that.nm

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The BIRTHERs did not name themselves, the media did. - Whats wrong with asking a question?

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Especially one Obama refuses to answer and has paid millions to refuse to answer. I must say, that is bewildering. Obama has something to hide or he would not keep hiding the BC. Any logical person realizes this.

Can we please stop with the personal insults? - Indy

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There are probably a lot of people here who think it was stupid to vote for Obama and stupid to continue supporting him, but they have the common courtesy not to post it here.

This kind of thing is only further dividing us. Why do you keep doing it?

Just read the boards here and you will see that you are wrong about that - sm

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There has been no lack of negative comments about President Obama. I can't believe that you would imply that.

The thing that is dividing us is the ridiculous notion that not paying your bills is honorable. Then there is the ridiculous Birther thing. I don't think any right-thinking individual will stand for hearing that not paying your bills is okay without speaking up.

The point is....everyone is entitled to their - Indy

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opinion in this country and should be able to express it without being ridiculed, belittled, etc. for that opinion.

You do not agree with that?

A person proud of not paying bills needs to be belittled and ridiculed - and as far as the 'birther' theory is concerned

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My opinion is that the 'birther' theory is wacky. I agree with you completely that I am entitled to my opinion. I'll certainly not condone irresponsible behavior such as just deciding not to pay ones bills and then running for president bragging that you did it because it was a great business deal.

"needs to be belittled and ridiculed" tells - Indy

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me all I need to know. Thanks.

"needs to be belittled and ridiculed"????? - see message!

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This is not directed at you and when I say "you" I mean it in a generalized sense. It's just my opinion of this.

Someone please tell me what kind of mindset is it that someone actually has the audacity to think that someone "needs to be belittled and ridiculed" (wait don't tell me, that kind of mindset to too scary to imagine). What is that saying that people say that comes to mind... "How dare you", Yup, that's the saying I think if when someone says "someone needs to be...."

Okay, you think the "birther" theory is wacky. We get it. What's that other saying that comes to mind.... "enough already" Yes we get it, but what people don't get is there are other people in this country (people with degrees, PhD, lawyers, judges, firemen, police officers, doctors, businessman, actors, CEOs, and thousands and thousand of other people - even in other countries too) who do not think that way. All they want is an answer they have not yet been provided with. But I guess it's too much fun to ridicule people who don't agree with the way they think. You also do realize there is a 50/50 chance that it could be true. So what then? I think it's ignorant for people to talk as though they were standing in the delivery room watching him being born knowing exactly where it was.

If someone is having financial difficulties, needs to make a decision that will affect his business it is nobody's business to tell them they "need to be belittled and ridiculed". There is another saying that comes to mind for those who think that way.

I agree with Indy above who wrote - "Needs to be belittled and ridiculed" tells me all I need to know"

Yes, the idea of purposefully not paying your bills is shameful - and an idea worthy of ridicule

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Let me say it again. The idea that a person who is perfectly capable of paying his bills, doesn't pay them, and in fact, brags that he didn't pay them, that idea is worthy of ridicule. It is shameful in fact.

I assume that would include tax bills too, right?/nm - icedT

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and let me say again....no it's not - see message!

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And anyone who thinks that anyone should be "belittled and ridiculed" should be ashamed of themselves. Mr. Trump has earned the respect of many people. So no matter how bad things are, yes even political happenings going on, nobody deserves to be "belittled and ridiculed". Note even Obama himself. It's shameful that anyone thinks they are so high and mighty that this would be an acceptable practice.

Shame, shame, shame!!

We're in very serious trouble in this country. - sm

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Considering the financial shape this country is in, I don't want a person running it, who BRAGS about his bankruptcy and how much money he made off of it. How secure must that make our creditors feel? How secure as an American can I be that this man just won't "file bankruptcy" on the United States?

We already have the very wealthy who don't pay very much, if anything, in taxes. These people are probably cheering for Trump, which makes me wonder what percentage of the Birthers belongs in the "wealthy" group as opposed to middle-class or lower middle-class people. Those classes can't afford to lose any more, and Trump doesn't seem to care about them.

Really, a billionaire is going to be there to keep his constituents happy. Only a middle-class person can understand what his/her class is going through. I don't think Trump can relate to middle-class/lower middle class in any way. He's too greedy.

There was no personal insult - - just an observation - and...

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She has as much right to post her opinion (since she didn't single out anyone here), than the people who reply to posters calling them birthers and other nasty names.

I'm even kind of embarrassed to have Trump in NYC. - much less the White House

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Folks, do we have to pick our presidential candidates from their reality TV shows? We definitely can do better.

He hasn't learned to balance his own budget and he knows that will keep him from any serious consideration as a presidential candidate. He's just using all of this for PR for his show. Then there's that "Birther" thing he's promoting to get more attention, just like he did with the foul language and inappropriate behavior he used in the Rosie O'Donnell situation.

But even if he couldn't balance is own budget and was forced into bankruptcy, he didn't have to do it again, and then brag about it.

Then again, that's what Donald Trump is all about, the bragging. That's what he does. He's a reality-show host. Bragging makes money for him. This whole running-for-president gig he's on right now is fake. He's just trying to get his contract renewed by bringing in more viewers for his failing TV show.

He has a lot of wealthy friends who would support him. sm - Reality Check

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They will rally around him, get their friends to vote and it could happen. It the same thing that Obama did, but the other end of the spectrum. He went and got the poor and desperate people to vote. I, for one, would prefer the vote of the wealthy as we could learn from them. As a middle-class American, I have more in common with Trump's friend and associate base than with Obama's.

Trump and his people would help bring us back from financial disaster whereas I believe that Obama is feeding into the welfare mentality.

Our ancestors must be rolling in their graves. What ever happened to WORKING for a living? Why does everyone want a free ride? That's the Obama way of thinking; we need to turn that around and stop spending money that does not exist. The welfare mentality will destroy this country. We all need to actually work, even if free, to survive.

I can't even use word like I want to use to respond to your post! - nm

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Trump's celebrity friends are your heroes? You can learn from them? - sm

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So, celebrities are your heroes and you have more in common with them than with the middle class and poor of our country. Well, that's interesting. I'm speechless.

President Obama certainly is not my hero - Indy

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right now, but I don't find it necessary to do daily character assassination on him.

Why do you feel it necessary to personally attack posters because you don't like their opinion? Seriously. I don't understand the need. I see it post after post after post this morning.

Why is it that you guys feel that is necessary?

You personally attack Obama each time you accuse him of lying, with the 'Birther' comments - sm

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Character assassination is the birther garbage. I believe you practice that regularly.

There you go again with the name calling - Indy

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and, with all due respect, you are the one who is lying.

I am not accusing the President of lying. Where did I say he lied? I said he refused to produce his long form birth certificate and that is the truth. He refused. Yes, I do wonder why he refuses. It makes no sense to me. Yes, that would suggest to me that he has something to hide. That is also the truth, nothing wrong with me wondering, it is my right as an American. It concerns me that you think it is not my right, or that it is your job to ridicule me for my opinion. Do you think that displays a good character on your part? Honest question.

Frankly, going after a man's financial records when he is not even a candidate yet is character assassination. I don't think one should file bankruptcy to game the system, but we know he is not the first, nor will he be the last, and individuals game the bankruptcy laws every day. If you feel the need to point fingers, point at all the wrongdoers, and that would give me faith that you really care about the act and not attacking an individual.

With all due respect, again, with this post you really don't have a lot of room to use the words "character assassination."

I hope you have a good day.

I am having a good day! I love it when the Birthers come out to play - nm

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I have never seen so many people proud of - Indy

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of being bigots. amazing.

Why wont Obama show his BC though? Can you answer?nm - GetReal

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Just read Hawaiian law again. It's been posted on - this board ad nauseam. nm

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Trump - sm

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I never watched his show. Have seen previews and just can't stand the man's arrogance. The thing is, he did not have financial difficulty. He just stopped paying his bills, according to what I have heard. It certainly should be treated as any other type of fraud and he should be put away for it.

I have a different set of values than Trump has - Proud American

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I watched his show for a couple of seasons and then it just kept getting a little lower each year, more crude and vulgar. I can't even tolerate the commercials for it now. It was somewhat tolerable when they had regular people on it, but when they added the 'celebrity' factor, it just went downhill. I expect it to be canceled. He's trying to save it by running for presidency, which is disgusting in itself that someone would stoop that low, but I don't think it will work for him. Unfortunately, a certain slice of people love celebrities and will follow him no matter where he goes, which means viable candidates will not have as much time to present legitimate potential solutions to the problems our great nation faces. That's shameful of Trump, but he isn't there to be anything but a celebrity, so he doesn't have to be decent or honorable.

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need to be changed.

I agree with you - Anonymous

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I've never cared for "The Donald," either as a human being or as a businessman. I remember reading his book, "The Art of the Deal" when it was published in the 80s and was convinced then that he was not a nice person but very much into self promotion and making a quick buck. He screwed business associates over to get where he is and the trophy wives and girlfriends are a bit repulsive to me. As far as filing bankruptcy, he knew how to work the system to his advantage, that's it. I don't take the presidential bid seriously, just another publicity stunt. Does anyone really think he'd win any of the primaries, much less get nominated? The guy also needs to do some serious fact checking as many of his statements are just plain false.

I just heard a Republican leader say that because Trump's 3 ex-wives are happy - that everyone will be okay with him as candidate

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Because his 3 ex-wives are happy? We've definitely lowered our standards.

She also said though that Gingrich's 3 ex-wives may be more of a problem - Standards have definitely been lowered

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We can certainly do better than either of those.

No more embarrassed than I am having Obama as - President -what a disaster! nm

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Agreed. The present clown in the White - House included.

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It is no different than running up a lot of - Indy

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credit card and unsecured debt and then filing personal bankruptcy. People have been doing it since bankruptcy laws were put in place. So have businesses. Trump is not the first one to do it, but he is certainly the first one to be open about it.

Not saying either is right, but Donald Trump certainly is not the first nor will he be the last, so personalizing a practice to him like he is the only one who has ever done it seems unfair to me.

And no, I probably would not vote for him unless he ends up being the candidate running against Obama. At that point, yes, I would vote for him because this country may not survive another 2 years with the lackadaisical attitude I see in the Democrats regarding spending and our 14-trillion and climbing deficit.

That's where this Democratic senate and administration have left me....understanding full well that ANYTHING is better than the status quo. Things could change before 2012, but I sure am seeing no signs of it.

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it is right for anyone to purposefully run credit cards up and then file bankruptcy. Much of the bankruptcy happened after the credit card companies decided to jump rates up to astronomical amounts that people could no longer afford the bills. I had one go from 4.99% to 23% and I paid my bills on time. I was fortunate enough to switch it to a lower rate, but many couldn't. They had no right to jump rates on current balances. I had no problem if they wanted to jump the rates on purchases made from then on. Another reason people filed bankruptcy is because they lost their jobs. I do agree with you that he is not the only one who has frauded the system, and don't agree with anyone that does, but all those people are not talking about running for president. No wonder this country is in the shape it is if you would rather have him in office than Obama.

Yes, the deficit needs to come down and both parties are acting like children, but Donald Trump certainly isn't going to do any better. Of course, I'm sure you think it is okay to take from the seniors and give tax cuts to the rich, so you probably do think Donald can do better. I think there needs to be cuts in programs and loopholes taken away for the wealthy. Both sides need to give in.

Trump can get away with it; normal people can't. - Responsible Citizen

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Just because a certain number of wealthy people get away with not taking care of their financial obligations responsibly doesn't make it right. We need to teach our children that this kind of behavior is wrong, no matter who does it. There are laws in place so that we don't have to have "poor houses" as they did back in Charles Dickens' time, and that's a good thing, because there are tragic circumstances that are beyond our control at times, but to just decide not to pay your bills is disgusting. As someone on here likes to say, we can do better than that. America is better than that. Republicans, keep looking. A better candidate for the Republicans is out there somewhere, and it is not someone with a reality TV show, for goodness sakes!

That is an incorrect statement. - Indy

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Regular people game the bankruptcy system the same way. They run up a lot of unsecured debt and then file bajnkruptcy. They do it every day. What Trump did is not illegal. He followed bankruptcy law, put in place by Congress. His wealth had nothing to do with being able to file bankruptcy. If you feel it was dishonorable for him to file bankruptcy under the law, then you should feel it dishonorable when anybody files bankruptcy under the law.

I don't understand all the flap. He is not an official candidate. No one is other than Obama, that I can see. There has been no convention, no primaries...

And frankly, why someone who is willing to accept the deficit, accept how the Dems are handling it, and then get this upset because a man who is not even a candidate yet filed bankruptcy...sorry, don't understand that line of thinking. Not trying to start a fight...have applied every common sense thread I can to it, and it all goes back to the same thing. It has to be about party, not about the country.

Thanks for the exchange!

is the duck running? - sm

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I think Daffy Duck would get my vote if he would run. Anything is better than the incompetent administration we have now.

There is really no reason to attack me - Indy

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personally for having an opinion. I am not an uintelligent person, and neither are you, I am sure. I am not affiliated with either major party, so I don't ride the party horse. When I look at the state this country is in, and the attitude displayed toward the deficit and cutting costs by the Democrats, then yes, I think Trump would be better than Obama. Trump does understand business or he would not still be a billionaire. The US government is a business and should be run like one, if you want to keep the programs dear to you funded. That is simple bookkeeping.

That being said...I hope Trump is NOT the other choice. I do not believe that the Republicans will nominate him and I don't think he would win a primary. However, if that SHOULD happen, he will get my vote. I could not in any way, shape, or form cast a vote for Obama, because I believe that is casting a vote against the viability of my county.

Even having the S&P remove us from stable to negative as far as our debt seems to have had an effect on him and the Dem controlled senate. It's like they think we can just go on this way when all the experts are saying we can't.

They need to roll up their sleeves, look hard at programs (which, incidentally, he promised to do during his campaign, another of the promises he never kept) and get rid of all but the most needed: medicare/medicaid, social security, and defense. That being said, Medicare is not sustainable as it exists, neither is Medicaid. Both need to be overhauled to eliminate waste.

As to tax cuts for the rich...I do not understand this thinking that wants to punish people for doing well. That is unfair. They already do pay 47% of all personal taxes paid into the coffers. Of the remaining 48% (that is low and middle incomes), about half of those don't pay any income taxes at all, because of the same kinds of loopholes, deductions and credits. So that leaves you and me responsible for making up the difference for them, with the rich still paying half. Just how much of the total do you think the rich should pay in punishment for having succeeded to the degree they have succeeded? If they were not already paying almost half, we would really be in dire straits.

Broad phrases like okay to take from seniors and give tax cuts to the rich are broad statements and not helpful. The "rich" are not the enemy. They are Americans just like you are, they have had the good fortune to do better than us in life. That does not make them the enemy and does not make them liable to do more than their fair share, just like any other American. That, to me, is fair.

So you're saying as long as you're 'open' about it - sm

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You can run up bills and not pay them and other dishonorable actions. It's fine, as long as you are 'open' about it, as Trump is. That's wrong on so many levels.

I really hope that's not what you are saying.

I said in the first post that I did not agree with - indy

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it no matter who did it. But to make a post targeting one person like he is the only one who has ever done it...especially when he is not even a candidate yet...is unfair. When he IS a candidate, then you can say you did it because he is running for President. Right now he is just a man doing a lot of talking.

As far as dishonorable actions, with all due respect...the President has done things which I consider dishonorable to his office and to the country. Am I going to post all those to defend Donald Trump? No.

Individuals game the bankruptcy system the same way every day. We have a person who cheated on his taxes in place as Treasury Secretary right now...the man the IRS reports to. Somehow I have a hard time understanding why someone who is accepting of that wants to tear into Donald Trump who is not a part of government and not an official candidate.

Only you can know how you justify that.

Have a good one.

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to participate in intelligence briefings as well as his business ties around the world should disqualify him from being president. Hoping that enough Republicans will put country before party and participate in an early impeachment. ...

Dec 09, 2016
because you think he is going to be some kind of champion of the common man. Look who he has picked for Secretary of Labor - a man who does not believe in any minimum wage, who does not think workers should be paid overtime and should they dare ask for these things threatens automation. I wonder what it will take for you to realize that Trump is a con man. ...

Oct 17, 2016
Because I use my head to research and find out what candidates really are, not what the lap-dog media wants me to think. Because DT has more women in executive and managerial positions than any comparable company, which tells me he is not a misogynist. ... Because he pays these women the same or more than their male counterparts, which tells me looks for capacity and skills in people, not color, gender or race. Because he fought the West Palm Beach City to be able to open his newly purc ...

Aug 18, 2015
If Donald Trump is elected president, he says he will bring our jobs back from China and India. I would vote for him for that reason, alone. ...

Nov 13, 2015
at the rally last night? No wonder the GOP is panicking. It was interesting to watch the people behind him react. One lady got up and left when he said he would bomb the #@+* out of the oil wells. Then he called the people of Iowa stupid! He has definitely gone off the rails! ...

Apr 30, 2017
He really has no idea what is in the bill or even what the terms mean... Sad! ...

Nov 15, 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKuCFrlfrw4 This is an uplifting video 29 minutes long. It is worth listening to. ...

Oct 23, 2012
and Michelle filed for divorce sometime during their marriage. Who cares? ...

Aug 10, 2016
All I got out of it is that Trump wants 2nd amendment supporters to ensure Hillary is not voted into office so she cannot appoint supreme court judges who will take away gun rights. No where did I hear a suggestion that the second amendment supporters should assassinate Hillary. He wants them to band together and elect him so Clinton could not appoint supreme court judges to take away their gun rights. I listened to the spin put on what he said on the news last night and this morni ...

Aug 06, 2016
economic advisors, not even conservative ones. ...

Jul 31, 2016
Why doI think this? 1. Because they're friends, have been friends for years and Donald didn't throw his hair into the ring until he'd talked it over with Bill Clinton. There's a documented 2-hour phone conversation with Bill Clinton prior to Trump infiltrating the GOP. 2. It's not rocket science: Every time the polls get close, within a few points, Cheeto makes a yuuuuge offensive statement to the press . He insults veterans, women, Americans of ...

Jul 18, 2016
A Message For Christians About Donald Trump by Wayne Allyn Root (Wayne Allyn Root is a Libertarian-Republican, a TVcelebrity, producer, author, CEO, politician, and a born again Christian.) Jun 24, 2016 I am a Jew turned evangelical Christian. I am also a passionate supporter of Donald Trump. I have a message for Christians who don’t like Donald Trump:“YOU’RE MISSING THE BOAT.” Christians have Trump all wrong. God sends messages in many forms. You’re just ...

Jun 18, 2016
responsible for the return of both the U.S. House and Senate to the democrats. I don't know how any conservative can say he is running a serious campaign. He has almost zero ground game in the swing states he needs to win, more and more republican candidates are distancing themselves from him, and he continues to say stupid things like he really doesn't care. ...

Apr 01, 2016
Ban shredded cheese. Why, you ask? To make America grate again. ...

Mar 27, 2016
An Open Letter to Donald Trump: "Mr. Trump, I try my hardest not to be political. I’ve refused to interview several of your fellow candidates. I didn’t want to risk any personal goodwill by appearing to take sides in a contentious election. I thought: ‘Maybe the timing is not right.’ But I realize now that there is no correct time to oppose violence and prejudice. The time is always now. Because along with millions of Americans, I’ve come to realize th ...

Dec 08, 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXBaWb4mzRU&feature=youtu.be ...

Dec 07, 2016
gets one right. Not Fidel this time. ...

Jun 16, 2015
He must be a secret Democrat as all his running does is emphasize the bad in the Republican party. ...

Aug 21, 2015
This is the vulgarity and coarseness that Trump inspires. Wonder what his next feats will be. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/consul-homeless-man-beaten-boston-mexico-native-33224872 ...

Oct 09, 2016
“I like Donald J. Trump because he is not a politician. He talks like a guy. And ladies out there, this is what guys talk about when you’re not around; so if you’re offended by it, grow up! And by the way, this is what you guys talk about over wine when you have your brunches. So take it easy.” - Scott Baio ...

Oct 02, 2016
While I'm not religious, I thought this video was very interesting about the prophecy of Donald Trump, the election, and how it relates to the Bible. I'm a believer now. Whenever you have an extra hour, it is worth watching whether you believe it or not. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqwFWD_Htfo ...

Mar 04, 2017
how low does he have to sink? His followers are clinging and sinking right along with him. We are the laughing stock of the civilized world. ...