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Posted: Sep 30, 2010

Over 250K sign pledge to boycott ‘Homo Depot’

By Eric W. Dolan
Wednesday, September 29th, 2010 -- 2:46 pm

Over 250,000 people have signed an online pledge to boycott The Home Depot for its "sponsorship and participation in homosexual events," according to the American Family Association (AFA).

In July of 2010, the AFA announced it was launching a nationwide boycott of The Home Depot.

The AFA is a non-profit organization that advocates traditional family values and the reform of American culture "to reflect Biblical truth on which it was founded."
With nearly 200 radio stations and over two million online supporters, the organization prides itself as the largest and most effective pro-family group in the United States.
"The Home Depot, through any number of its affiliates, has given its money and its name to gay pride parades and festivals," said AFA president Tim Wildmon. "We've appealed to them to stay neutral in the culture wars, but they are determined to keep using their influence to push the normalization of homosexual behavior. Everyone of these pride events pushes the recognition of homosexual marriage, so The Home Depot has clearly chosen sides on that issue."

The organization's Boycott The Home Depot page claims The Home Depot's "most grievous" offense is "deliberately exposing small children to lascivious displays of sexual conduct by homosexuals and cross-dressers, which are a common occurrence at [gay pride] events."

The AFA is also opposed to The Home Depot offering insurance to cover sex-change operations and extending insurance to same-sex partners of homosexual employees.
"It's no longer The Home Depot," said Wildmon. "It's now The Homosexual Depot."
"At the end of the day here, we're not going to send anything out that forbids our associates to be involved in these pride festivals in any way," a representative of The Home Depot told the AFA.

The Home Depot is not the only retail giant to be targeted by the AFA. In August of 2010, the organization criticized Sears for selling "giant posters of total nud**y on its website" complaining that the posters show "groups of people, lesbians and others engaged in ***ual activities." ("Nudity" and "sexual" censored by the AFA. Pictures of the posters in question can be viewed here.)

Along with Home Depot and Sears, the AFA has also boycotted 7-Eleven, Abercrombie & Fitch, American Airlines, American Girl, Blockbuster Video, Burger King, Calvin Klein, Carl's Jr., Clorox, Comcast, Crest, Ford, Hallmark Cards, Kmart, Kraft Foods, S. C. Johnson & Son, Movie Gallery, Microsoft, MTV, Mary Kay, NutriSystem, Old Navy, IKEA, Pampers, Procter & Gamble, Target, Tide, Walt Disney Company, and PepsiCo.

"Not only will the stupid project not effect the company's bottom line, but AFA didn't realize it's up against queer America's $743 billion in purchasing power," writes Ryan Tedder at Queerty. "So not that I've got anything against Lowe's or HomeGoods, but these stunts are just an invitation for the gays to start buying their mulch, weed killer, and energy-saving light bulbs from the company AFA loves to hate."

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Wow. Thanks for the heads up. Cant think of a better reason - to start

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giving Home Depot as much business as possible.

You say over 250,000 signed? Current estimates of US gay populations range between 4% and 5% of the total population. With the most recent figure I can find on US population being 309,162,581, that would translate into somewhere between and 12,366,503 and 15,458,129 self identified gays, a number that no doubt is under reported. For purposes of illustrating my point, I will choose the most conservative 4% figure.

Of the 250,000 plus signers and the 12,366,503 self identified gays, what percentage of them frequent Home Depot on a regular basis is anybodys guess, but it stands to reason that if they support Gay Pride and promote other gay initiatives, gays probably will not be leaving their customer base anytime soon. Word travels at the speed of light in that tight-knit community and they know very well who supports them and who does not. My guess is that they tend to pay it forward and are every bit as committed to their politics as their haters are. In this case, it is much easier to continue to buy than not to buy.

Every single person in each group will have at least one or two occasions to buy something at Home Depot at one time or another in their lives. By my calculations, the petitioners only have to find 12,366,253 more homophobes before having any demonstrable impact on Home Depot's customer base. Dont think #29 on the Fortune 500 should be losing much sleep over this virtual protest.

Kinda reminds me of WalMart politics. Saying and doing are two different things. Many folks detest WalMart for a litany of much better reasons than a homophobic-driven drop-in-the-ocean effort, such as outsourcing of jobs, slave labor practices, gender discrimination, discriminatory hiring practices, union busting, employee abuse (including political pressure tactics aimed at GOP support), urban blight, undermining small business, unfair competition, and the like. They even sign petitions vowing never to shop there again. But cost-cutter pricing during peak seasons such as back-to-school and the holidays tends to make liars out of many of them, especially in recession times.

Next time the plumbing blows up, the air conditioner konks out, or they plan a home improvement or major remodeling project, wonder how many of those anonymous virtual petition signers will defect, especially if Home Depot is the only game in town? Again, anyones guess.

I was just on my way out to pick up light bulbs, a broom and some garden supplies for fall planting. Now let me see. Where did I put that Home Depot card?

I haven't shopped at Home Depot... - Raye

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since I signed the boycott and I probably never will.

It's hard to believe there are so many ignorant, - HOMOPHOBIC people in America.

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And it's hard to believe... - Raye

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that there is ANYONE in this country who would want to see a loved one, especially a child, get involved in this type of deadly behavior. It's just indicative of the NORMOPHOBIC people in America which, thank goodness, are a rarity.

Fact allergies are easily cured with stats. - sm

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75% of NORMOPHOBIC (shout, shout, let it all out) America supports repeal of DADT in the interests of equality under the law. Not so rare after all. Multiple links to respectable sources have been previously provided in earlier posts.

What loved ones and children need not become involved with is the archaic shunning pratices of religion-driven dogma propagated by those who seek to divide rather than unite, shame rather than respect, spread hate rather than nurture love, preach sermons rather than listen to reason, and turn reality into myth rather than myth into reality. These undertakings defy the very essence of Christian golden rule sentiment and the admonishments of Jesus to hypocrites: Judge not lest ye be judged, thus making sheer mockery of those basic Christianity 101 principles.

That's the thing about stats... - Raye

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Not ALL of America is polled, only a small percentage and stats are skewed all the time. The reality is when you talk to people about certain issues and you actually hear the "real" percentage. Christians seek to unite but not unite with those who make the obvious choice to sin, sin should not be respected but shamed, spreading the truth does not equate to hate, there is no "reason" for that behavior so no need to "listen" and the reality is death, not a myth. Spreading truth is not a judgement, only to those who wish to deny it. Peace to you. :)

If you find comfort in rejecting numbers and clinging to fairy tales, - insert intentional pun alert here

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makes no difference to me. What matters is that federal courts pay close attention to majority numbers and those pesky stats, especially the ones that document incidents of injustice. Case in point. They recently weighed the matter in on the scales of justice, deemed it unconstitutional, and promptly kicked DADT along with its untenable consequences out the chamber doors, thus allowing it to take its rightful place as a historical footnote. Time typically moves into the future, not back to the past, with the possible exception of B-grade sci-fi movies targeting elementary, middle and high school audiences. Repeal and its open service counterpart is the logical next step as we march forward. That's my reality.

Christians oxymoronically seek to selectively unite with a handpicked sanitized sinless collective? I think I got it. Good luck with that, but pardon the rest of us while we indiscriminately unite with your leftovers for the sake of honoring the Constitution and in the spirit of equality for all Americans. Once you organize your cult of the privileged few, remember the words of your Savior (you know, the One who died for the sins of the world, the WHOLE world, and nothing but the world?)...to let those among you who are without sin cast the first stone at the rest of us. Funny. I have always felt that Jesus was trying to say that it was God's job to identify sin, forgive it (or maybe not) and pass final judgment, not yours. Silly me.

Kindly keep your truths amongst yourselves where they belong, fill your hearts with hate, gleefully sentence us to death and leave us alone to burn in the fires of hell for all eternity. Implant tongue firmly in cheek here. The rest of us sinners and the monolithic normophobic hoi polloi will continue to grapple around in the darkness in search of our own truths regardless of what you do. In the meantime, your secular government will be enhancing national security and enlarging its pool of military enlistees by offering unconditional and consequence-free access to gays. I would be willing to bet my next paycheck they will probably be ignoring online Home Depot petitions while they are at it.

Your statement on reason is WAY to void of reason to dignify with a comment and those phoney forked-tongued pronouncements of peace are also falling on deaf ears.

BRAVO! Excellent post! - n/m

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You might want to do some research on your bibilical passage there - sm

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I think you might find when you really research bibilical passages that they are often taken out of context, which you have done. We are of course suppose to judge people, things. How else do we know what is good, bad. We come to those conclusions by passing judgement (you know, like you are doing against some). I had done this with the same verse. Seriously, research this one. You will find that it is one of the most misquoted verses in the bible.

Great post, Raye. Well said. - nm

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So sad when kids are exposed to this.

Homosexuality is "deadly"? To whom? Where do - you get your screwed-up facts?

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nm

Homosexuality... - Raye

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i.e. homosexual male sex is a deadly behavior. Disease is rampant because that behavior is not a normal way to have sex. Please don't expect me to get graphic because everyone with a brain knows exactly what I'm talking about. I don't know about you, but I work in the "health care field" via my home and desk top computer. There is nothing screwed up about my facts. You just haven't faced reality as of yet or don't work in the same specialty as I do. ;)

Newflash - they are not the only ones who do that - get a grip

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You don't need to get graphic, but let me tell you, they are not the only ones. Many husbands/wife or BF/GF do it the same way.

Now you are pushing what is the "normal way to have sex"? There's some pretty weird stuff out there that man/woman do together that is not normal.

Get a grip.

It doesn't matter... - Raye

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who's doing "it." It's a dangerous behavior because that organ was not made for that purpose. It is considered a homosexual act if the two people are of the same sex (male), but if you are male and female, you are being just as stupid if you commit that behavior as you will get the same diseases. That part of the body is not a reproductive/sexual organ. It is part of the digestive tract. Maybe you should go back over your anatomy courses. You obviously missed something. ;)

And here's the real issue - loud and clear - no1joe

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I wasn't even going to get into this, but this poster is saying it loud and clear. I've always believed that the real problem some people have with homosexuality is NOT the fact that 2 people of the same sex love each other... it's that they CANNOT GET OVER THEIR OWN SEXUAL HANG-UPS. Whether they truly are prude and clueless or just pretend to be during Sunday service so as to conform and blend in, the lash-out at homosexuals is a way for those who are ashamed of their bodies and/or not accepting of the fact that they are sexual beings to control those who are comfortable with themselves. Homosexuals are easy targets since, if they are going to have sex, these "perverted" methods would be the only way to do so. The reality is that there is NOTHING going on in a homosexual bedroom behind closed doors that isn't going on in many, many healthy and normal heterosexual bedrooms in the world, but unfortunately there is no way to police, judge, and condemn that, is there? I also think that some (not all - I can't stress that enough) cling to the bible for this very reason... to justify their discomfort and unwillingness to accept themselves.

Oh... and to Ms. I-work-in-the-healthcare-field-via-my-laptop (or whatever it is you said), haven't you ever kissed your husband? YOUR MOUTH IS PART OF YOUR DIGESTIVE TRACT TOO! Dis-GUSTING!!!! It's funny, because I used to get the hairy eyeball from fellow churchgoers when, as a child, I would refuse to go up and get host based on the concept of "the priest's hand has been in everyone else's mouths... I don't want germs." Maybe you can talk to them for me with your logical thinking and vast knowledge of the healthcare field and get them to understand. Oh... and just a bit of advice... don't knock it 'til you've tried it (or maybe you have... lashing out due to guilt perhaps...hmmmm?). I can pretty much guarantee 2 outcomes: First, your husband would probably be a much happier person. Second, it would probably squish that bug that has been firmly lodged up there for quite some time. TIA

Bravo! Very well said - get a grip

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I'm tired of people who come on and proclaim they have all this medical expertise so they know what's best, blah, blah, blah.

They are not sitting in everyone's bedroom watching how they do whatever they do, so in actuality they do not know. I think you are right on about others having problems with their own sexual hang-ups. Hence they go out and decide to tell everyone else what is "proper" and what is not. My aunt who very heavy churchgoer, heavily influenced by her church, has some pretty weird beliefs herself. Like since she is not planning to have any more children there is no reason for her to have sex anymore and that sex is an evil and a disgusting practice and always adding in of course that "God has spoken to me and told me this".

I think if you are not accepting of others no matter what race, religion, or sexual preference KEEP IT TO YOURSELF instead of coming out and showing ignorance that you might have towards a subject you are not familiar with. Just a way to anonymously spread your fear and hatred of others because they don't follow the same lifestyle you do.

Thanks for your post. Right on.

Oh...of course not... - Raye

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let's only discuss how wonderful the homosexual community is. Let's not discuss what REALLY happens in these types of "relationships." Let's keep all that under wraps and only focus on the "goodness and light" of such a wonderful group of people who are so much like the rest of us....except that they are NOT. LOL I am going to continue to spread my fear and hatred for this BEHAVIOR for the rest of my life because that's what it's all about...BEHAVIOR, BEHAVIOR, BEHAVIOR. As long as a person keeps this behavior to themselves, I have no problem with spreading love in their direction because the bottom line is it's the BEHAVIOR that I find immoral and perverted. ;)

When you don't know what you are talking about - get a grip

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As Mark Twain would say...

It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

But hey, if you want to talk about something you don't know about (how could you since you are not in a gay relationship) then be my guest. I just won't be reading it.

You don't have to... - Raye

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be in a relationship with someone of the same sex to understand how the sexual relationship works. Even my children understand that simple concept. ;)

zzz - and so little compassion too - get a grip

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I feel sorry that children will grow up in a heartless and compassionless world all based on bigotry and hatred.

No thanks...

Debra/Raye... just an observation - no1joe

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Okay... I was kinda wondering why someone named Debra was posting away down below under the topic of the recent gay teen suicides with very, VERY similar views as good ol' Raye here (you know... the obsession with "perverted" sex acts and "gay behavior") but never bothered to chime in on this one. I was also wondering why Raye wasn't squawking on the teen suicides too. Both of these subjects have been on the board for a while, so they're pretty much dead posts... but then... poof! A post from Raye AND a post from Debra under the appropriate topics each within minutes of each other and each having to have the last word no matter how ridiculous the statement (another personality flaw). They're the same person.

Now I know that people use different names all the time and answer their own questions so as to make themselves look better (yes, it's crazy, but they do it), but I know that these posts sometimes easily come up under a simple Google search, and I thought it would be nice for someone who is researching this topic and stumbles onto these posts to know that there is 1 less whack-a-doo running around... it's just the same one using 2 different names.

Add KAT to the list too - no1joe

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If you've seen the "gay soldier" post from late September. Same writing style... same obsession... same overwhelming need to have the last word. Just sayin'. ;) ;) ;)

Good observation - I noticed that too - see message

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I'm "get a grip", but didn't think that would be an appropriate handle for my reply to you. LOL

I thought it was the same person. Funny how you can really tell by the same style of writing, and in this case same bigotry and hatred, and conversations with themselves.

Something that just doesn't sit well is the religious crowd determining what is the "right" lifestyle for everyone, and coming on sharing their "vast knowledge and expertise" (LOL) on a subject they have absolutely no idea about. They just feel the need to cut others down.

Then of course when someone asks them a question, they don't address all the issues of the post, just one little snippet (like the pornography reply).

My mama always told me - if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all.

Homosexuality promoters... - Raye

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all possess the same style of writing and promote the same silly arguments. You only have to read one of their posts because they all use the same "homosexual agenda manual." ;)

The religious crowd doesn't decide anything for anybody. They let Christ make those decisions for all of us.

You don't need "vast knowledge or expertise" to know that homosexuality is wrong any more than you need vast knowledge or expertise to know that lots of other things are wrong. I don't cut any "one" down but I will cut down a behavior that one commits. You people always say that your questions go unanswered. That's just not true. Most of your questions don't relate to the subject at all and, even when they are answered, you just don't like the answers. That's a problem you have to deal with, not me.

My mama always told me--Be nice but you don't have to follow a crowd. They can lead you over a cliff.

Talk about someone needing the "last" word.. LOL - Raye

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Just saying. ;) ;) ;)

Your observations... - Raye

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are flawed. I am NOT Debra or Kat. I am Raye. There are many, many of us who think the same way about homosexuality. The media only likes to portray this behavior as accepted by all. Did you watch the news this morning? I have a lot of respect for Carl Paladino (sp). He speaks for many, many of us who don't get media exposure. I didn't comment on the teen suicides but that doesn't mean I don't find it sad. If people weren't so accepting, especially parents, these sad things wouldn't happen. There are lots and lots of people (teens and adults) who aren't accepted for their beliefs/behaviors. They don't take their lives. You can make me feel as guilty as you want...call me homophobe, harrass me, throw a brick through my window...I still won't take my life. When a person has that much "guilt" it's certainly not because people aren't accepting. It's because the person really knows that what they are doing is wrong and just can't face living any more...and that is sad.

And I would much rather.. - Raye

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my children be labeled as "homophobes" than "Christophobes." ;)

The reality is... - Raye

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what goes on in a "homosexual" bedroom is VASTLY different than in a normal couples bedroom. The bottom line...this behavior is viewed as "abominable" and I will forever look at it that way, regardless of the persons doing it. But...it is far more perverted when two males are doint it because man and woman were meant to have sexual relations ONLY. The mouth is a sexual organ as well. The anus isn't and never has been. I don't plan to try anything that will damage my health such as this perverted behavior. I value my health far too much to "not knock it until I've tried it." My husband has enough respect for me to not ask me to do something he knows would not be good for my health.

The reality is you are so busted, - Raye/Debra/Kat/whatever.

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nm

Wow...now you are in the bedroom of couples and know what they do? - Ewwwww

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Look at it whatever way you want to dear, just glad your not in my bedroom every night deciding whether or not what I'm doing is "different" or "abominable". Everyone can decide what they deem as healthy.

Please dispense with your graphics in future posts. We are all adults and truth be told you do not know how everyone goes about doing whatever they do in the privacy of their own home. I don't come to the political board to read you describing what is a personal act between two people in the privacy of their bedroom.

We know your feelings on the subject. Enough said.

THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT YOU USING DIFFERENT NAMES - no1joe

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Really? You need this clarified? My guess is (and I'm pretty sure I'm right) that they posted under this comment because the others were going off the page!!!! You're "busted" for using different names to make it look like more people share your views... not for what you're doing (or NOT doing) behind closed doors. It's perfectly clear who's obsessed with what others do in the privacy of their own homes.... IT'S YOU!!! And your twisted sense of self and distorted views on the subject have led you to justify dislike bordering on hatred of an entire group of people while you use your interpretation of the bible as a cover. You've brought it up over and over again under different monikers. You're the perv. And I'm assuming that you were directing the "dispense with your graphics" comment toward me (which is why I'm responding). GO BACK AND READ YOUR POSTS! You were the one who brought up the "graphics" because you are the one obsessed with it! Unlike you, I use the same name on here. In the future, direct your comments to the right person. There was nothing "graphic" about the you are so busted comment, so no reason to call them out on it ;) ;) ;) I'm done with this side show.

I think you are posting to the wrong person - Ewww - see message

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There is no need to be so rude. I have been agreeing with your posts. I also agree that I think this person Debra, Ray, Kat or whatever name she keeps switching to is the same person. She keeps having conversations with herself and she always has to get the last word in. The other moniker I had posted under was "get a grip".

I was not directing the dispense with your graphic comment to you, I was directing it toward Raye under the post titled "The reality is" who decided to describe what her mouth, etc was used for. Then she hides behind the bible and professes to know what god and jesus would do. Since I don't believe in the bible I don't interpret it to suit whatever their sick and perverted meaning of it is.

So I have been using the same moniker (get a grip), but this time I just used ewww because I thought Raye was being a bit graphic of what she believes each body part is for and she claimed to know what everyone does in the privacy of their own bedroom. And I definitely agree with your post on "you are so busted".

I too am done with this. There are too many posts and it's all getting confusing.

Sincere apology here!!! - no1joe

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I totally took that post the wrong way. I thought it was Debra/Raye/kat/whatever just giving up on using any name and blasting the other person just for saying they were busted. My rudeness was not directed toward you - whatsoever. I would just delete my post, but I'm not going to in case the person I was being rude to decides to pop back on. Again, sorry about that... and I'm done here too. Good luck to you : )

Not a problem at all - see message

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I totally understand. There were so many messages going on and anytime anyone didn't agree with her we got the same responses. Always having to have the last word and never showing any compassion towards other people. I have so many "bible toting" relatives, yet you can't even have a decent conversation with them. They have no knowledge, just get the same bigoted responses. It's funny because I grew up in a pretty conservative town where if you didn't go to church every Sunday you were frowned upon. "Differences" were not tolerated. I married a pretty conservative guy too (in some ideas) and we have difference of opinions on a lot of issues (gay marriage, etc) being one of them. He doesn't agree with it, but at least he has compassion towards other people no matter what. I'm for gay marriage and I hope one day things will change. Whether they like to believe it or not we are all human beings and everyone has the same right to be happy and live your life the way you want to.

Anyway...not a problem, apology accepted. Had a feeling it was just a mixup with so many different messages.

Also doesn't help the fact that Debra/Raye/kat doesn't feel her argument is strong enough to stay with one moniker and she has to keep answering herself as though we won't know it's her talking to herself. LOL

No1Joe... - Raye

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You think you have all the answers. You are a joke. You could be the ONE and ONLY poster making all the "positive" comments about homosexuality. You are accusing me of being several different posters when you or anyone else could be (and probably are) guilty of the same thing. FYI, a lot of people do share my views, many more than share your's. As I've said before, I could care less what someone does in their own home but when those people try to claim that behavior is normal and expect me, and especially my young impressionable children, to accept that then I have to start protesting. You're darned right I'm obsessed!!!!!!! I view this as perverted not to mention an unhealthy and deadly behavior. I'm always going to discourage my children or any family member from engaging in it. And you can like it or not. ;)

I don't have to be.... - Raye

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in your bedroom, if you are a person who has sexual relations with someone of the same sex, to know what goes on. All it takes is a littel common sense and knowledge of human anatomy. You know what a male can do and what a female can do. Even my children can figure that puzzle out. LOL Homosexuals have made their sexual perversity a political subject. You need to get out more. And I have no idea who "Debra" and "Kat" are. I am not the only person who finds this political subject disgusting and comments on it.

Never is a very long time, Raye, but whatever floats your boat. - You wont be missed...

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and your absence will enhance the shopping experience of the ones who do.

14 years ago, my in-laws boycotted Disney. - Never say Never

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Because apparently Disney started sponsoring special days at their theme parks for homosexuals and their families. I don't exactly know the ins and outs (no pun intended) of what special things were offered. My son was 3 and we were taking him to Disneyworld and my in-laws preached and PREACHED about everyone should join the Disney boycott. They were pushing the homosexual agenda. Oh and that we should watch out when we took our son down there because gays are everywhere and gay men especially love to molest little blonde boys (my son is blonde and blue eyed)! THEY ACTUALLY SAID THAT OUT LOUD!

This past summer, my in-laws took my daughter to Disneyworld. I guess they forgot about the boycott. So never say never.

The homosexual community is a very big demographic out in the marketing world. Straight people need to realize it's just good business to gear some advertising and publicity towards that group. It's the same as when advertisers use multi-cultural families advertisments. It's a message of inclusion, of acceptance into American Society.

Just my 2 cents on the subject.

Not interested in Disney Land either... :) - Raye

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We don't have to accept perversion and many of us never will.

Let me guess... - Winky

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You like to take your kids to Raptureland!

Read your reply an hour ago and it is still giving me - uncontrolled fits of laughter.

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Couldnt top this one if my life depended on it.

You should try it - no1joe

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Maybe you wouldn't be so cranky, judgmental, and condescending. There is obviously something lacking in your life if you feel the need to lash out at and look down on others. Just sayin' : )

just a note about perversion - take a look

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Like beauty, perversion is as pervesion does.

One perversion of so-called Christian groups involves self-righteous finger-pointing at our brothers and sisters. Any loving person would agree that we humans are not the arbiters of sin.

Another perversion of so-called Christian groups is their inability to be accountable for the ugliness and divisiveness brought about by their own dogma.

Yet another perversion of so-called Christian groups is ideologic dishonesty. There's more pornography consumed by heterosexuals than you can shake a stick at. Why focus on homosexuals?

Pornography is wrong too... - Raye

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You just never hear about anyone trying to justify their addiction to pornography or any other sin for that matter...just homosexuality. That's why the focus is on it. It's the only sin anyone really wants to push down the throats of everyone. When push comes to shove, you just have to push back.

Why not address all the issues not just the ones - see message

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so easily argued against. The previous poster wrote -

Like beauty, perversion is as perversion does.

One perversion of so-called Christian groups involves self-righteous finger-pointing at our brothers and sisters. Any loving person would agree that we humans are not the arbiters of sin.

Another perversion of so-called Christian groups is their inability to be accountable for the ugliness and divisiveness brought about by their own dogma.

Yet another perversion of so-called Christian groups is ideologic dishonesty.

You didn't address any of those issues, just the little snippet at the end of pornography.

I've heard plenty of people trying to justify their addition to many types of activity you would call sinful "gambling, drinking, or whatever". The difference is being gay is not an addiction/sin. It is a lifestyle that people lead. Truth is gays are an easy target. You can't insult pornography, drinking, gambling or an addiction (non-humans), but you can insult people and that is the truth behind it. People really get a thrill by insulting other people, then run behind their religion and say "god told me so" or "It says it in the bible", when in fact people take whatever they want and twist it to fit their own beliefs. I could sit and quote scripture about everything and change it to mean what I want it to say, but I don't. It is different for everyone.

Before you judge others you should take a look at your own life.

For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Then there is that "Do not pervert justice" lesson.

If you truly believe, then when mans time comes he/she will stand and explain their actions. It is not anyone on this earths place to decide what is a sin for everyone, and that is not what the bible says either. And it also talks about not hating others. But if you truly believed you'd read everything, not just the parts you want to spin to fit your own beliefs.

Nope...insulting a person's behavior - Raye

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not who they are. I don't believe there are homosexuals or heterosexuals. I only call these people that because that is how they describe themselves. I prefer male or female as it is male and female who commit sexual acts....some normal, some perverted. I'm not judging anyone. That's God's job but I certainly have the right to say I believe something is wrong based on God's teachings. You are judging me when you try to tell me what I'm thinking. I have never said I hated any ONE. There is a difference in hating a person and hating the acts they commit. I love my children dearly but I hated it when my 4-year-old son scribbled all over the wall with crayons. Stop judging me. Leave that to God. I don't believe He will criticize me for hating such perversion so I'm not really too worried. ;)

Still didn't address the issues I see - sm

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I didn't judge you, but you are judging others. You also are not addressing the issues the poster you replied to brought up. You keep trying to defend you you think its right to judge others. I'd like to hear your response to the following items the poster asked you about.

Like beauty, perversion is as perversion does.

One perversion of so-called Christian groups involves self-righteous finger-pointing at our brothers and sisters. Any loving person would agree that we humans are not the arbiters of sin.

Another perversion of so-called Christian groups is their inability to be accountable for the ugliness and divisiveness brought about by their own dogma.

Yet another perversion of so-called Christian groups is ideologic dishonesty.

This original post was about homosexuality - why address the rest

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We could go on and on about the different things we believe in or don't believe in. No one ever said any of those mentioned things are right. You could start another message board about things like fornification, adultry, etc., and you are going to have people that obviously agree it is a sin.

Most Christian's will admit that they have and do sin. Most believe in repenting of their sins. I'm sure there are people that are Christian's that have done many wrong things, and I have not see anyone on here trying to justify those sins.

About judgement, we make these all day everyday. We have to judge in order to know right from wrong. You seem to have a lot of judgements about Christian's. I personally have not tried to make the bible fit to the "lifestyle" I live. Although, it's funny because I agree with you on that. I think a lot of people do. They live in a denial.

Which I was surprised you said lifestyle because that is exactly what I think that homosexuality is.

Wow. Did they cover her eyes when all those - cross-dressing puppets passed by?

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LOL. Congrats on the progress you are witnessing in your in-laws. IMO, the value of your 2 cents is beyond measure.

"Acceptance" shouldnt mean "uncomfortable".. A local - amusement park has a "gay day" once a year

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not sponsored or planned by the park itself. I was there once on that day, not knowing it was THAT day. What I witnessed was so out of line, behavior that heterosexuals would be criticized for.. It made so many people uncomfortable with the outlandish slobbering and flamboyant actions. There was no need to do that...and if you are going to show others you have "gay pride", then have some pride and respect for yourself and those around you. Those people ruined the day for so many other people. It was very unfortunate. The gay people there that day who behaved this way only hurt "acceptance" into American Society.. bigtime.

Even though... - Raye

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these are things you certainly don't want your kids to witness, the homosexual community, by acting so "flamboyant" makes it very easy for most (especially mine) children to see and understand the sickness of this behavior. Only those children who are being raised in such unhealthy surroundings would fail to understand and even they are troubled by it because they can see it's not the norm and, as they get older, they understand just how unnatural it is. It doesn't mean they will hate their "parents." It simply means they will understand how illogical and unnatural this behavior is. I was never exposed to such behavior as a child...thankfully. It's sad that my children have to be exposed to it, but at least they understand some people do "crazy" things. They don't hate...they just feel sorry and are a little afraid. :)

What if you're straight and you act "flamboyant"? - What exactly do you consider "flamboyance"?

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And why is it such a scary thing to you?

Also, why is another person's lifestyle such a threat to you, when in reality, it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS?

Christians who try to ram their religious beliefs down the throats of others who are GOOD PEOPLE, but who just have different beliefs and values, is as ammoral and sinister as those in other countries who are trying to ram their radical Muslim beliefs down ours.

Your bigotry and religious zealotry is no more righteous than Al-Qaida's.

Abnormality to that degree... - Raye

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is scary. I certainly want my children to be aware of the dangers both mentally and physically of something so abnormal and unnatural. They already understand the concept and the sickness of it. What others do may be "none of my business" but when others try to convince my children that this is just another "way to be" then it is DEFINITELY my business to make sure they understand it isn't a healthy or sane way to be. Flame away...

For Rayes concept of tame normal heteros meeting her behavior standards - check out peopleofwalmart.com.

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and casually browse through those photos.

LOL!!! OMG!!! LOL!!! Your reply made my day! - Love it, love it, love it! ;D

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NM

Your in-laws sound like a far greater threat to your - son than any gay person could ever be. nm

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x

I'm sure... - Raye

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the Ford motor company doesn't share your sentiments. They suffered great losses because of their boycott. And I'll never buy a Ford either. ;)

You mean the same FMC that bankrolled their own recession bailout - sans stimulus money?

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The same FMC who ranks #8 in the 2010 Fortune 500 listing? You mean THAT FMC? Other than in the furthest reaches of the eastern blogosphere, on what planet did the FMC boycott make a dent in Ford's success? During boycott years, 2005 to 2008, FMC remained in the Fortune 500s top 7. Disintegrating market conditions, easily retrievable in historical archives, are what drove the company to scale back on marketing and advertizing across the board, not exclusively in gay marketing "outlets" as the AFA demanded they do, claims they did, and tries to take credit for. Fact is none of their demands were met, as is clearly demonstrated by the fact that FMC still targets the gay market as we speak. I feel quite certain they will continue to do so long after you and I have passed over to the other side, which is as it should be.

FYI, WalMart has been boycotted up the ying-yang, so many times I have lost count, yet they remain deeply ensconced in that top spot at #1. What part of boycotts (especially by the Christian fringe minority against SuperCorps) don't work are you not getting?

You mean the same FMC that bankrolled their own recession bailout - sans stimulus money?

Please pardon my malfunction - and disregard the duplication.

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When I got back from lunch, the authenticate post screen was still up on my screen, though I could have sworn I had already posted. This is the unintentional result. Could be just a harmless passing senior moment.

You are ridiculous... carrying this to an overboard state!.nm - Please

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nm

I think not... - Raye

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I will NEVER willingly shop at any business that I know is donating money to such a perverse cause...not ever. My money will never knowingly go to support this sick cause. Going overboard...that's the homosexual community's thing. ;)

The "Church Lady" speaketh. (Too bad all she - spews is hatred and intolerance.)

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;p

Yep.... - Raye

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you betcha. I spew hatred and intolerance for that behavior and always will. It's not what I want for my children and they already want no part of it. :)

Hah! She admits she's a hater! - (God help her poor children!)

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nm

Yes, and my children.... - Raye

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are old enough and understand the difference in hating a person and a behavior. They also understand that if a person admits to this behavior to stay away from them but never to hate them. We are all God's children and they understand that. It's this behavior that has them extremely puzzled?? Even my 14-year old still asks, "Mom, why would anyone want to do that?" Still no answer for him. ;)

I shop at Home Depot a lot... will do so even more now.nm - GoodDay

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nm

Home Depot is my FAVORITE store. - nm

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I couldn't have said it any better, except for one little thing - my pet peeve you could call it

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First I totally agree with you. If we had a Home Depot in this town I'd start doing all my shopping there. I think it's just ludicris (sp?) to boycott them because of their stance gays, and supporting their causes. That's what I call stupidity and ignorance. Also that is why I'm not a big fan of the "religion" thing. I'm a pretty spiritual person, but I'm definitely not religious and this is one of the reasons.

The issue of whether gays are "normal" has been argued over and over and over on this board. Whether you think a behavior or whatever people do in their own homes is "normal" is a personal (and sometimes ignorant) choice. One of the quotes was from the OP's article was "We've appealed to them to stay neutral in the culture wars, but they are determined to keep using their influence to push the normalization of homosexual behavior. Everyone of these pride events pushes the recognition of homosexual marriage, so The Home Depot has clearly chosen sides on that issue."

Whether or not Home Depot supports gay pride or boy scouts or book clubs makes no difference to me. It just makes me cringe when I hear someone pushing this "normal" thing. When I have many friends who are more normal than some people who are "straight", and some of the things that "straight" people do is way far from what I consider "normal". What about pedafiles and all the other creepy straight people. Not quite "normal" to me. Just drives me crazy there are people who spew this hatred and hide behind "religion".

If you read about who AFA is that organization is far from "normal" with their wacked out religious viewpoint. I think... who are they to determine what is normal and what is not. I've been to lots of church services of many denominations and almost everyone who is in my family and big into that is way way far from "normal". I'm not saying all churchgoers are not normal, just the ones I know, and this creepy group called AFA. Another wacky thing they said was "The Home Depot's "most grievous" offense is "deliberately exposing small children to lascivious displays of sexual conduct by homosexuals and cross-dressers, which are a common occurrence at [gay pride] events." What a bunch of hogwash. If they are offended by children going to the parades they need to go after the parents who take them. BTW, when I lived in SF and was at dinner one time it happened to fall while a parade was going on. I don't think I saw any children watching the parade. It was all adults.

My only pet peeve is the use of the word "homophobe/phobic". I think that is the wrong word. People are not afraid. I think homophobes is so over rated and just a meaningless word. I simply call it stupidity. You don't like or agree with the lifestyle that's one thing, to boycott a store is just plain loony.

All I know is every time I go to a town that has a home depot I will make a point to do a lot of my shopping there.

Yes indeed. - The difference between

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spiritual and formal institutional religious practices is like night and day. The former, intensely private and personal, has brought a bounty of beauty, serenity and benefit to life worldwide. Its elaborate expressions across cultures have animated the visual and performing arts, music, dance, and literature, and enriched intellectual academia in such disciplines as anthropology, sociology, psychology and philosophy, just to name a few. Its reach is broad and expansive in its quest to span the universes and embody the infinite. While the same can be said of religion in some limited dimensions, its scope is much more narrow, message- and master-driven and confirmative. Both historically and contemporaneously, religion can be linked to division, conquest, wars, violence, destruction and bloodshed.

Normalcy, like truth and opinion, are relative concepts. In the case of truth, philosophers across the ages have aspired to divine its essence, giving rise to dozens of theories which have been argued by the likes of Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Protagoras, Avicenna, Aquinas, Kant, Hegel, Kierkegard, Nietzsche, and Fromm (whew) just to name a few. Despite their best efforts, it seems to boil down to relativity. My favorite sage in this regard would have to be Clint Eastwood, who summed it up nicely: Opinions are like *******s. . . , everyone's got one. One could easily plug in "concepts of normal" and truth for opinions in that statement and be just as profound.

No one throws a Pride Parade better than Houston's huge Montrose community. It is a cherished tradition here, dating back to 1968, enthusiastically embraced by mayors, local celebs, rich, poor, old, young, all creeds and colors and, yes, children, who all show up in droves to share the excitement, entertainment, and good ole fashioned fun. Our inclusive community spirit is palpable from beginning to end when that yearly event rolls around. The kids light up when the various floats pass by, often skipping and dancing on the sidelines, feasting on hot dogs, corn dogs, popcorn, cotton candy, slurpees, slushes and ice cream cones. They delight in the costumes, makeup, music, magic, games, lights, sights and sounds of the overall festivities and typically go home with painted faces and souvenir t-shirts or a new cap. No residual drama, trauma or fatalities have been reported. I agree. Take 'em out to the ballgame if this somehow threatens you.

I too would be interested in the answer to that pedophile thingy and other creepy crawlies emanating from the underbelly of the straight community. Do try to throw in a few Bible verses when conjuring up those excuses. . . , err, I mean replies.

While I do believe that some among the ignorant are genuinely frightened by homosexuality, your pet peeve point is well taken. Besides, there are any number or adjectival references one can use to convey collective need for enlightenment, and overuse probably has relegated the term to the cliche category. It will be challenging to toss it and explore the lexicon for a replacement next time around.

Home Depot rocks.

Very eloquently said - I also want to add - my pet peeve you could call it

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What an excellent reply and very well said. You should become a professional writer if you are not one already. Your words flowed very naturally, and encompass my feelings too. I want to add one quote from my favorite movie "Kingdom of Heaven" I forgot to add in my message yesterday. If you haven't seen the movie I highly recommend it. It has such a powerful message and Orlando Bloom's performance was as usual great. Here's the quote I always remember...

â��I put no stock in religion. By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much religion in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is here (head) and here (heart), and what you decide to do every day, you will be a good man - or not.â��

My adult son suggested the same thing - just last week.

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He deals with my tendency toward the verbose through DVD-speak. He was adamant that I check it out, but reluctant to loan it to me during my last visit, but I remember his talking about "this dude, Bloom" who seemed to impress him A-LOT.

Allow me to digress momentarily.

His dad is a not-so-devout progressive secular Moslem who left Iran in the years leading up to the Shah's ouster that ushered in the Islamic revolution. When our son came along, I was a born-again un-Christian who was engaged in a buffet-style spiritual quest which I conducted by virtually devouring every book I could lay my hands on exploring the subject of world religions. The only thing his dad and I agreed on was that spirituality was an intensely personal inside job, so we decided to handle his indocrination in much the same way Obama described his own, as a rather detached yet thorough, progressively age-appropriate cross-cultural educational survey.

He was socialized with Moslems families from his dad's side, and persons of all faiths and no faith from mine. We answered questions as they arose, taught him a few prayers along the way, but allowed him to come to his search on his own. In due course, in his early 20s, he arrived at that summit. He has tried on some of the cloaks, then cast them aside. His current fascinations are centered around Sufi mysticism, Dervish ascetism, Zoroastrianism and Zen Buddhism. I am afraid I have raised a hopeless universalist, just like my dad was.

He knows better than to get me started on the subject, since those conversations somehow end up becoming runaway trains going off in all directions, and ending up nowhere fast. I chalk that up to the male/female communication divide. His style is haiku and, on a good day, Twitterese; mine, Chatty-Kathy and lifetime member of motor-mouths anonymous. Consequently, whenever the spirit moves him to share his insights with his mom, he starts letting me borrow his DVDs or gives me a book assignment, the content of which is designed to clue me in on where he's at. Most recent contributions have been What the Bleep do We Know?, an eclectic mix of science and spirituality and The Secret, an exhaustive study of the laws of attraction as they apply to spiritual quest.

In any case, you have now given me the perfect lead-in to coax that Kingdom of Heaven DVD out of him next time he deigns to allow me into his inner sanctum. I'll start that conversation by asking him to dissect that awesome quote and hope that he hands the movie over in self defense.

You must really be proud of NAMBLA - NM

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nm

What I am proud of is the work of Kevin Jennings, - who folks like you tried to destroy

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with a vindictive smear campaign invoking NAMBA. Just goes to show how low you are willing to go in the name of hate and intolerance. Bottom feeding is not my gig. You are off my radar screen. Be gone.

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