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Do any tea party supporters know the answers to these questions?


Posted: Feb 5, 2010

I have the same questions.

http://voices.kansascity.com/node/7499

"...To much of the country, Tea Party supporters look like a bunch of whiners -- over taxes, health care, the federal government, America's future.

So that's why it's important for the people attending the ongoing Tea Party convention in Nashville to establish a more positive direction for their fledgling movement.

With Sarah Palin as a keynote speaker on Saturday, it's obvious this group won't be coming out anytime for a larger or more liberal role for the federal government.

But here's a key question I'd love to see some Tea Party followers answer:

Just what do they want the U.S. government -- and, by extension, President Barack Obama and Congress -- to do?

How big of a tax cut do the Tea Party backers want -- and what federal programs do they want to cut to get there?

Do they want to slice into the Defense Department, Medicaid and Medicare, which account for the bulk of the annual federal budget?

It's time for the people in the Tea Party to get past the bumper sticker quotes, and answer some of the really hard questions facing this nation.

Saying "get your hands off my health care" is a nice sound bite.

But it's a negative rallying cry, not something the rest of the country can rally around -- if the Tea Party believers think they really can make a difference in American politics."

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oh those silly people! - luvzminis

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Oh those silly, silly tea party people! What ARE they thinking?? Me, I'd much rather say rah rah for the current administration while they cut our throats in yet another behind closed doors meeting in their "oh so transparent" administration. And I wish they would tax us more and more so I could donate more money to them so they have a cushiony life. My, aren't these people just dinosaurs? You think they'd be smart enough to prefer being enslaved by government and bowing to all things Washington than freedom, but ya know, some people just can't seem to catch on. And how could they diss such a likeable guy like Obama just for spending all their money, their children's money, their grandchildren's money, etc.? I mean look at all the jobs Obama has created--and hey, I'm filthy rich now, how about you?? I get numerous job opportunities every day and I'm sure you and everyone you know does too. And we want to be generous and spread the wealth just like our mighty leader in Washington says, as he preaches to us while wearing his $800. designer shoes. Can't those idiotic tea party people see that?? Why on earth would they prefer outdated things like free speech, religious liberty, a strong defense, and respect for life?? Man--what ignorant morons, y'know??
And these foolish people complain every time Obama leaves the country and disses our nation. Makes you wonder what's the matter with them! I think I would absolutely love living in a country where all my rights have gradually dwindled down to nothing. You know-a place where there's only us peasants and the top dogs in Washington pulling all our strings. How about you?
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(in case you missed the sarcasm, here's the bottom line: get a clue. I suggest more conservative news sources where you'll hear facts--not propagandists clearly working for the Dems)

Excellent response! - Couldnt have said it better - NM

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nm

There it is. T-pots don't do direct answers. They just delegate - them all to Fox news....

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If you can't articulate a platform, how do you expect anyone to take you seriously? Get a clue. Bash-O is not a platform. To gain political traction, you will need leadership, ideas, goals and practical solutions. nothing new under the sun.

Well then..you might want to give O some of your - own advice since he is LOSING

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political traction. The "T-pots" are actually some of the only ones making sense these days.
No need. He's not going anywhere til 2012. What about tpot - leaders, ideas, goals and plans?
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Still nothing, huh?
Yeah, small Govt/lower taxes/less spending(since we - owe it all to China!!) problem is,
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nothing can be done since Obama is still there and he will not listen to the other side anyway.
This is a chant, not a plan. Specific plans on health care, jobs creation - and economic recovery, please and
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What about leadership?

Here are the elements of a plan: Examine the scope of the problem, define it in specific terms, locate and mobilize expertise who can brainstorm and propose possible solutions, set goals, analyze implementation methods, perform cost analysis, secure funding, assure legal compliance, write policy, articulate plan to voters to gain support, succeed in legislative passage, put together executive, managerial, administrative and support staff services and execute solutions by putting the plan into practice.

Take your time, but please get back with us on this. By the way, the public wants it NOW, NOW, NOW.
Not surprising, but your ongoing blather got in the way - ^-^
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of plain old common sense, which is exactly the problem with Obama. He is full of teleprompter speeches, but cant get the job done. He and YOU do not fool me, nor are you fooling the majority of Americans at this point. In fact, it is all backfiring. We need to get back to personal responsibility, values, and paying as we go.
So its a bumpersticker slogan campaign witnout plans or soluions. - Good luck with that. nm
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The thread is about the tpots convention. At some point, they are going to have to ditch the slams and face some issues if they want to be more than a collection of whining malcontents.
Oh, you mean like "change we can believe in". or - "Yes we can"? LOL. please stop.nm
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Behind the slogan was a brilliantly organized campaign platform and plan. - Succssful, too. Tpot website....
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has a 2.5 line platform statement and their program is consists of 4 paragraphs with 4 sentences each....16 sentences (!) that say nothing about the economy, health care, or financial reform. Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about.

http://www.bostontea.us/program
brilliantly organized sham. Obama the used car salesman - Fargo
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swindled the country into thinking he knew what to do.. or cared.
It takes strong leadership to succeed in getting elected POTUS. - Wanna talk sham?
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Sham is a laughable political movement with no leadership that sees no need to address issues or forumlate policies or plans and has no clue how to solve problems. Keep in mind that No-O is not a plan or policy. It's a tiresome slogan with no meat and tpots are not even good at slamming because most of what they put out is fact challenged.
At this point, I would take Bush back... or take - Palin...and I am no fan..
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But Obama... ughh. wish he would step down for the good of the USA
And you would get exactly what you deserve. More deficit, full blown depression, - wars and wealth friendly legislation. nm
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nm
Oh you mean like what we have now - No difference
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When will people learn there is no difference. Bush/Obama. Same thing. No difference, no change, and no hope. Sorry, take that back. We got a change alright. A change for the worst.
No, I mean what we inherited that needs fixing. - Why do you think pugs squeal so loud over change?
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nm
No comment on that website to nowhere? - nm
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nm
PS. The blather is called a plan. Try getting elected by showing contempt - and dismissing the need for for it. nm
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nm
Obama better get a plan then... otherwise, his dem - friends slowly getting the boot.nm
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nm
No only does he have plans, he has accomplishments too. - So far, you got nothin but slams.
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Still scratching you head over the derned plan thing?
Obama has flushed our country down the - TOILET.. You are full of fairy tales
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Look at reality. NOTHING has improved, nothing! His plans stink.
This is not about Obama. Its about a political movement - with nothing to offer. nm
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nm
Obama has a lot to teach us, doesnt he? - Dont save your money, just
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borrow or use other peoples money. Wow, what a great lesson for our grandchildren. Oh, wait, they will be the ones cleaning up and paying for Obamas mess.
Kindly tell us what the tpots propose to do about the economy, - jobs, unemployment, HCR, financial reform, ect. n
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nm
My tpot can't tell me anything - it boils my water - for my tea
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If you want to have a serious discussion about what the Tea Party Movement is talking about then you might want to write a serious post. Otherwise we see what side you choose and that you don't want to have a serious discussion, just jabs at the people who are party of the Tea Party.
No serious discussion possible. All they do is whine - bash and slam. nm
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nm

What leadership does O have, seriously? - Backwards Typist

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The above poster was sarcastic, as I absolutely feel lately. She/he articulated a platform and I'm sorry you could not read it for what it's worth. It was sarcasm but I guess sarcasm only works when the dems put out statements, huh? I agree with her/him.

You come on here and bash everyone that doesn't agree with you, yet will not research with an open mind.

As for leadership, O has NONE. He delegates and that's all he knows how to do. NP and HR are the ones who take any suggestion he makes to the hilt, annialating (sp) the middle class in the process.

Taxes on the businesses making $250K or more...do you realize that will not create jobs but stifle jobs? Most jobs come from small businesses, not from major corporations. He should tax those companies that send their work overseas, not those who stay in this country.

On another note, if you have an open mind, please watch a Bill O'Reilly video that he does every night, called Talking Points at the very beginning of his show. He usually is right on with his opinions. If all you can say is that Faux noise is all bull, then we will all know you have a closed mind. For what it's worth, I watch ABC, NBC, MSNBC (KO/RM, Ed), CNN, CNBC, Fox, you name it, I watch it. That's the only way to get a fair balanced reporting. I've found Fox to be more fair in their NEWS and even some of their commentators have both sides on; Neil Cavuto, O'Reilly, and Greta goes into the WH and talks to politicians. I do not want unbalanced news/commetators.

And, for what it's worth, I'm not a teabagger. I'm a centrist. I vote for whomever I feel is the right candiate for the job and so far, none of the ones in congress or the senate, or the presidency get my vote come 2010 or 2012.

http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/28862125/talking-points-2-3.htm#q=Bill+O%27Reilly+talking+points
Please share your understanding of Luzminis plan for HCR, - jobs, financial reform and economic recovery.
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Pretty please. I must have missed something buried under all the criticism of Obama, government, taxes and the rest of the yada yada yada.
Taxed Enough Already. - that about says it all
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Not saying against Obama personally, or anyone personally, but TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY, as in CANNOT PAY ANYMORE.

For pete's sake, how much more are we supposed to pay out of OUR OWN HARD WORK for people who won't work and take advantage of the systems as they are today?

GMAB.
Libertarians have been running under the no tax no gov slogan for decades. - Not enough to get anywhere.....
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Ever hear of Harry Browne (1996, 2000), Jo Jorgensen VP 1996) or Michael Badnerick? Remember their campaigns? Probably not. These are Libertarian candidates who ran for POTUS and VP. Most people have never heard of them.

They have neve been able to get past holding local community board and council positions positions. Evidently, "taxed too much already" does not quite say enough beyond parochial levels of office.
Leaderless = republicans - NJ
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BT, the tax cap of $250k is for individuals. Small businesses also get tax breaks under Obama, unlike republican plans. Where did you get that misconception from?

Bill O'Reilly is a commentator. He is not a journalist or news reporter. He is a hatefilled bag o'wind. I feel sorry for you that you find you have so much in common with him that you believe his spiels.

Do not consider yourself a centrist. You are ring wing for sure. Nowhere near the center. Perhaps not falling off the edge like the radical right, but it's ridiculous to call yourself centrist.

NJ
You do not know how I vote - Backwards Typist
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so do not call me a right-winger. I know O'Reilly is a commentator as are Maddow, Olberman, Ed, but it's okay if I watch the latter 3 because you do, but not the first?...and evidently, you did not watch the O'Reilly talking points video I posted.


I know how you vote because you make it very clear that O can do no wrong, as you believe that all dems can do no wrong and that is totally the wrong way to vote.


No one should vote for a party. You should vote for the candidate best able to do the job. That's what I do. I don't care if they're dem, pub, libetarian (sp), independent, green, socialist, communist, or whatever party on the ballot. I research the CANDIDATE.


I have not seen where small businesses are getting any tax breaks. Please post that source. 


I see where he is coming down hard by imposing new taxes and/or eliminating incentives on oil and gas companies, banks, businesses that ship overseas jobs, investment managers, etc., and farmers that earn more than $500k. (In case you didn't know, it's very easy for a small family-owned farm to earn $500K. We have 3 of them in this area, yet the equipment and production costs to run that farm can eat that up in a heartbeat.)


What these taxes or eliminations will do is up our cost for food, fuel, and clothing, among other things, and will not give us any relief that is so desperately needed.


 


 


 



 

Fear and voting - NJ
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You don't have to vote to be conservative or progressive, as anon proved in posts below. And you can't dance around it, BT...you are not in the middle. You fall on the conservative side of things.

There's an unwillingness in you to believe things you don't want to hear and a tendency towards hyperbole that negates your arguments. You accuse me of thinking Obama and "all dems can do no wrong". Recent posts of mine have been critical of Obama, Reid, Emanuel, Edwards, and the dems in general. 

Meanwhile, you continue down the path of fear. You want us to keep giving companies unfair breaks because you're afraid of the repercussions if we don't. Too often, you choose something you must know is bad to get to a point you think is good. 

 


You don't have to vote to be conservative or progressive, as anon proved in posts below. And you can't dance around it, BT...you are not in the middle. You fall on the conservative side of things. I have hope for you, though, precisely because you don't want to admit to being conservative. 



However, there's an unwillingness in you to believe things you don't want to hear and a tendency towards hyperbole that negates your arguments. You accuse me of thinking Obama and "all dems can do no wrong". Recent posts of mine have been critical of Obama, Reid, Emanuel, Edwards, and the dems in general. 



Meanwhile, you continue down the path of fear. You want us to keep giving companies unfair breaks because you're afraid of the repercussions if we don't. Too often, you choose something you must know is bad to get to a point you think is good. You seem to have lost your conscience. And your ability to research.


If this site isn't enough, google "small business tax credits". Just because you don't want to believe it and Bill O'Reilly never mentioned it doesn't mean you shouldn't look into it.


NJ

How about IGNORANCE and VOTING. People should - have to take a test before voting
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Ya ever see when they ask some of these voters questions? How many of them voted for Obama and have not a clue what he represents, and I mean NOTHING. If you know nothing, do the rest of us a favor, keep your ignorance at home. We are paying for that ignorance now!
Sounds a lot like what Tom Tancredo said at the Tea Party Convention. (sm) - Nikki
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Tea Party opening speaker suggests law that kept blacks be kept from voting be reinstated


By John Byrne
Friday, February 5th, 2010 -- 9:38 am


The opening night speaker at the Tea Party convention suggested a return to a "literacy test" to protect America from presidents like Obama -- a segregation-era method employed by southern US states to keep blacks from voting.


In his speech Thursday to attendees, former Republican congressman Tom Tancredo invoked the loaded pre-civil rights era buzzword, saying that President Barack Obama was elected because "we do not have a civics, literacy test before people can vote in this country."


Southern states used literacy tests as part of an effort to deny suffrage to African American voters prior to Johnson-era civil rights laws.


"Prior to passage of the federal Voting Rights Act in 1965, Southern (and some Western) states maintained elaborate voter registration procedures whose primary purpose was to deny the vote to those who were not white," a website for civil rights veterans explains. "In the South, this process was often called the 'literacy test.' In fact, it was much more than a simple test, it was an entire complex system devoted to denying African-Americans (and in some regions, Latinos) the right to vote."


"Because the Freedom Movement was running "Citizenship Schools" to help people learn how to fill out the forms and pass the test, Alabama changed the test 4 times in less than two years (1964-1965)," the site adds. "At the time of the Selma Voting Rights campaign there were actually 100 different tests in use across the state. In theory, each applicant was supposed to be given one at random from a big loose-leaf binder. In real life, some individual tests were easier than others and the registrar made sure that Black applicants got the hardest ones."


White applicants could be approved even if they didn't pass the test.


"Your application was then reviewed by the three-member Board of Registrars — often in secret at a later date," the site continues. "They voted on whether or not you passed. It was entirely up to the judgment of the Board whether you passed or failed. If you were white and missed every single question they could still pass you if — in their sole judgment — you were 'qualified.' If you were Black and got every one correct, they could still flunk you if they considered you 'unqualified.'"


Tancredo, who is known for his sharp anti-immigrant rhetoric, also attacked what he called the United States' "cult of multiculturalism," and tore into 2008 Republican Presidential nominee Sen. John McCain (R-AZ).


"Thank God John McCain lost the election," Tancredo told the Tea Party crowd, citing his positions on government spending and immigration.


"This is our country," he added. "Let's take it back."


Southern voting registrars could employ literacy tests arbitrarily. They included dauntingly difficult questions, aimed at keeping those they didn't want enfranchised from voting.


For example, an Alabama literacy test required would-be voters to know esoteric facts about the US political and legal system (one of the literacy tests can be read here in PDF form).


The remainder of the article can be found at:


http://rawstory.com/2010/02/tea-party-opening-speaker-suggests-blacks-voting/


 

Bingo - NJ
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Nice post. Thanks Nikki.

NJ
Sorry I am not part of the left-wing cheering section. - Ignorance does exist. SO many
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people voted for Obama simply because of "change" and now really regret it. They were ignorant to the fact of his radical beliefs, his past policies full of earmarks, his lack of any business experience, etc. They trusted that surely anyone running for president had what it takes.. WRONG!.. and we will pay for this mistake for decades.
Quite frankly, a lot voted for the Obama because he is black. - believe it or not
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I've spoken to at least 50 people in my small community who voted for Obama because it "was time" for a black President. Many thought he was going to fix everything for them, from their electric bills to their buying a new house (which they cannot afford).

He ran on a black ticket, let's admit it. Furthermore, I believe a lot are reluctant to condemn his policies because he is black.

Err...anyone else notice that when he was campaigning, he was half black, but since he was elected for some odd reason he now fully embraces being black, period?

You can shake your heads and say this isn't true if you like. That's fine, but it's the truth.

I spoke to many who also said they registered for the first time so they could indeed vote for Obama and they also voted a straight Democratic ticket because Obama is a Democrat. When I asked who they voted for our governor or state senator, they had no idea, just "the Democrat" as they just voted straight ticket.

Believe it or not. Ask around for yourselves. Ask the clerk at the grocery store, the guy behind the counter at your favorite fast food restaurant, etc. The biggies didn't put this guy in office, the littles did.

God help us.
Nothing in his campaign indicates he ran on a black ticket. - Whats your point? sm
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The conclusion you draw about your so-called black ticket is erroneous in every way possible. Racism sucks.

Important questions - NJ

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It's important to get all the ideas out there. But when one's tactics are to put everything under a magnifying glass until a flaw is found, one tends not to offer anything up for examination lest the same magnifying glass be used.

Democracy is a messy affair full of compromise and slow progress. Many conservatives want nothing to do with either these days in the off chance it will somehow make Obama look good.

Please don't hold your breath waiting for Tea Party ideas to be presented. They just want to focus on that magnifying glass and burn things up.

NJ

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Do any of you use an adjustable keyboard tray? If so, which one would you recommend or not recommend? ...

In Answer To SM's Questions About H.R. 1406May 10, 2013
I didn’t want the answers buried because the original post is pretty far down the page.   You don't HAVE to take the compensatory option. You volunteer for it. If you want your OT paid in cash the week you work it, then so be it.   You said: "One other thing I'm not finding or maybe it's there and I don't understand the legal jargon: Is the OT that is converted into PTO time and a half? Do I get a half hour extra for every hour of OT?"   Yes, that&# ...