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Confederate History Month
Posted: Apr 9, 2010
"Virginia's governor made "an unacceptable omission" by not mentioning slavery when he proclaimed it Confederate History Month, President Obama says."
I think our president needs to look at the Civil War and the reason for it.
The Civil War was not all about slavery. It was about State's Rights.
I'll admit that slavery was a huge mistake and should not have been done. However, slavery is NOT the most egregious stain in our history. Slaughtering the native inhabitants was worse. We don't mention that every time we dedicate a state park.
The truth is we need to get past it. We have a right to have pride in The Confederacy and the principles it stood for and don't have to bow our heads and beg for forgiveness for slavery every time we mention it.
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Yes, the war was at its core about slavery. - No one needs to ask
[ In Reply To ..]for forgiveness. The civil war is long over. The Germans do not "celebrate" Nazi Germany. It was a stain on our country, as was the killing of Native Americans, and any number of other things. We are not a perfect country. No need to go out and "celebrate" every mistake or failure, and in particular, the ones that involved the mistreatment and use of other human beings as slaves.
NO, it was NOT about slavery at all..... - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Matter of fact, Lincoln had no constitutional authority to even abolish slavery, but no one ever teaches the truth in history classes to our young people. They just rant on and on about slavery as if THAT was the reason for the civil war. It was not. So many people need to do their homework on this subject.
The northern states lived on the BACKS of the slaves; they loved the production of the plantations because THEY were the ones reaping the rewards of the goods but there is so much more to that war.....slavery is what it has turned into over the decades, not what it was about....
The North was a big industrial area and they felt it unfair that only the south had slaves....after all, they needed people to man their productions as well AFTER the goods were bought from the South. Lincoln actually thought about sending the slaves back to their homelands as he could foresee the generations upon generations of cultural differences and difficulties brought on by freeing the slaves.
Actually, thought things are never properly taught, Liberia in Africa was actually settled by ex-slaves from the U.S.
The truth is the south was a major competitor in the eyes of the northern states and they just didn't like it!! It was embarrassing to them to say the least. The North actually wanted to run the show; the south seceded from the union for a reason and it had nothing to do with slavery. It was only after the south would not come back did Lincoln finally decide to push ahead with his invasion but even he wasn't sure what he wanted to do with the slaves. He at least admitted keeping them here in this country overall was not a good idea and many were actually freed back to Africa but so much is never taught in history class. It all boils down to "slavery" being an excuse for Lincoln to allow the north to invade the south.
True, Native Americans have never been given all the attention as to what happened to them and they were treated horribly.
Slavery was indeed the core issue among the various - others that led up to the Civil War
[ In Reply To ..]Lincoln received not a single electoral vote from the slave states owing to his position on slavery, and it was his election that then triggered the secession of the "plantation" states, whose economies depended upon the perpetuation of slave labor, who then formed the Confederacy.
To suggest otherwise - and especially, to imply that the Abolitionists were actually secretly "happy" with, or "dependent upon", the existence of slavery - simply cannot be supported by the facts, and amounts to nothing more than "revisionist" history.
The Northern states were thriving compared to the South, and had many times the economic clout. Northerners could easily afford to allow the cotton states to sell all of their output to English fabric mills if they chose to do so, and then simply import the finished cloth. In other words, the South had absolutely no economic hold over the North. Consequently, there was no identifiable selfish motive for the North to encourage perpetuation of slavery.
Oh dear...please learn our country's history. - Trigger Happy
[ In Reply To ..]The Souths economy was booming over the Norths economy. That is why the Union imposed high taxes and tariffs because the south found it cheaper to get their goods from overseas and it ticked the north off. Slavery was a biproduct of the real reason for the Civil War. Lincoln himself said he would not free the slaves. Five weeks before the war he said he would not go after slave owners.
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[ In Reply To ..]This is from Americanhistory.about.com
The Civil War lasted from 1861 to 1865 and led to over 618,000 casualties. Its causes can be traced back to tensions that formed early in the nation's history. Following are the top five causes that led to the "War Between the States."
1. Economic and social differences between the North and the South.
With Eli Whitney’s invention of the cotton gin in 1793, cotton became very profitable. This machine was able to reduce the time it took to separate seeds from the cotton. However, at the same time the increase in the number of plantations willing to move from other crops to cotton meant the greater need for a large amount of cheap labor, i.e. slaves. Thus, the southern economy became a one crop economy, depending on cotton and therefore on slavery. On the other hand, the northern economy was based more on industry than agriculture. In fact, the northern industries were purchasing the raw cotton and turning it into finished goods. This disparity between the two set up a major difference in economic attitudes. The South was based on the plantation system while the North was focused on city life. This change in the North meant that society evolved as people of different cultures and classes had to work together. On the other hand, the South continued to hold onto an antiquated social order.
2. States versus federal rights.
Since the time of the Revolution, two camps emerged: those arguing for greater states rights and those arguing that the federal government needed to have more control. The first organized government in the US after the American Revolution was under the Articles of Confederation. The thirteen states formed a loose confederation with a very weak federal government. However, when problems arose, the weakness of this form of government caused the leaders of the time to come together at the Constitutional Convention and create, in secret, the US Constitution. Strong proponents of states rights like Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry were not present at this meeting. Many felt that the new constitution ignored the rights of states to continue to act independently. They felt that the states should still have the right to decide if they were willing to accept certain federal acts. This resulted in the idea of nullification, whereby the states would have the right to rule federal acts unconstitutional. The federal government denied states this right. However, proponents such as John C. Calhoun fought vehemently for nullification. When nullification would not work and states felt that they were no longer respected, they moved towards secession.
3. The fight between Slave and Non-Slave State Proponents.
As America began to expand, first with the lands gained from the Louisiana Purchase and later with the Mexican War, the question of whether new states admitted to the union would be slave or free. The Missouri Compromise passed in 1820 made a rule that prohibited slavery in states from the former Louisiana Purchase the latitude 36 degrees 30 minutes north except in Missouri. During the Mexican War, conflict started about what would happen with the new territories that the US expected to gain upon victory. David Wilmot proposed the Wilmot Proviso in 1846 which would ban slavery in the new lands. However, this was shot down to much debate. The Compromise of 1850 was created by Henry Clay and others to deal with the balance between slave and free states, northern and southern interests. One of the provisions was the fugitive slave act that was discussed in number one above. Another issue that further increased tensions was the Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854. It created two new territories that would allow the states to use popular sovereignty to determine whether they would be free or slave. The real issue occurred in Kansas where proslavery Missourians began to pour into the state to help force it to be slave. They were called “Border Ruffians.” Problems came to a head in violence at Lawrence Kansas. The fighting that occurred caused it to be called “Bleeding Kansas.” The fight even erupted on the floor of the senate when antislavery proponent Charles Sumner was beat over the head by South Carolina’s Senator Preston Brooks.
4. Growth of the Abolition Movement.
Increasingly, the northerners became more polarized against slavery. Sympathies began to grow for abolitionists and against slavery and slaveholders. This occurred especially after some major events including: the publishing of Harriet Beecher Stowe’s Uncle Tom’s Cabin, the Dred Scott Case, John Brown’s Raid, and the passage of the fugitive slave act that held individuals responsible for harboring fugitive slaves even if they were located in non-slave states.
5. The election of Abraham Lincoln.
Even though things were already coming to a head, when Lincoln was elected in 1860, South Carolina issued its “Declaration of the Causes of Secession.” They believed that Lincoln was anti-slavery and in favor of Northern interests. Before Lincoln was even president, seven states had seceded from the Union: South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas.
I disagree. - Trigger Happy
[ In Reply To ..]Slavery was part of the reason for the Civil War but not the main reason.
The rallying call in the North at the beginning of the war was "preserve the Union," not "free the slaves." Although certainly a contentious political issue and detested by abolitionists, in 1861 slavery was not a major public issue. Protestant Americans in the North were more concerned about the growing number of Catholic immigrants than they were about slavery. In his First Inaugural Address, given five weeks before the war began, Lincoln reassured slaveholders that he would continue to enforce the Fugitive Slave Act. The war between the states was more of a tariff war.
Between the years 1800 and 1860, arguments between the North and South grew more intense. One of the main quarrels was about taxes paid on goods brought into this country from foreign countries. Southerners felt these tariffs were unfair and aimed specifically at them because they imported a wider variety of goods than most Northern people. Southern exporters sometimes had to pay higher amounts for shipping their goods overseas because of the distance from southern ports and sometimes pay unequal tariffs imposed by a foreign country on some of their goods. An awkward economic structure allowed states and private transportation companies to do this, which also affected Southern banks that found themselves paying higher interest rates on loans made with banks in the North. The situation grew worse after several "panics", including one in 1857 that affected more Northern banks than Southern. Southern financiers found themselves burdened with high payments just to save Northern banks that had suffered financial losses through poor investment.
Your second paragraph is eerie. If you replace - Backwards Typist
[ In Reply To ..]a few words, you have today's situation.
Your second paragraph stated:
".... One of the main quarrels was about taxes paid on goods brought into this country from foreign countries. Southerners (replace 'Southerners' with Americans) felt these tariffs were unfair and aimed specifically at them because they imported a wider variety of goods than most Northern (replace Northern with countries) . Southern (replace Southern with American) exporters sometimes had to pay higher amounts for shipping their goods overseas because of the distance from southern ports and sometimes pay unequal tariffs imposed by a foreign country on some of their goods...."
The situation grew worse after several "panics", including one in 1857 (replace 1857 with 2008 )that affected more Northern (take 'Northern' out)banks.... Southern financiers (replace "Southern financiers with taxpayers) found themselves burdened with high payments just to save Northern (take out 'Northern') banks that had suffered financial losses through poor investment.
This is almost history repeating itself in a different perspective just by replacing a few words. Just pointing this out.
I noticed that myself. - Trigger Happy
[ In Reply To ..]The Southern states seceded from the Union because the Union would not listen to them and their concerns. Does that not also ring a bell with what is going on today? It is rather sad how the true history of the Civil War has been lost. Maybe we would not be repeating certain things if the real reason for the Civil War hadn't been overlooked. It is sad that when you ask most people about the Civil War....they do believe it was because of slavery. So not true though.
Did you know Thomas Jefferson was a - liberal?
[ In Reply To ..]Yet, you support his views of the Civil war.....interesting.
Thomas Jefferson was a - classical liberal
[ In Reply To ..]"Our Founding Fathers were inspired by the philosphy of classical liberalism, "that individuals would no longer be subservient to the state; the state would be subservient to the individual."
What the leftists of today believe is exactly the opposite of liberalism."
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http://biggovernment.com/kbyrne/2010/04/08/time-to-remove-liberal-from-the-leftist-lexicon
He was a secular humanist - liberal - Yes
[ In Reply To ..]that's classic.
That's true....liberalism is NOT what the leftists - today practice....far from it!!
[ In Reply To ..]nm
No, now it is closer to what the Republicans - used to be like, and the
[ In Reply To ..]Republicans are becoming extreme. I had no problem with pubs before, even as a dem. Now though, so many (NOT ALL!!!) just are more interested in just hearing what Fox tells them, or some of the more extreme members of their party without question. Even when questioned why, what, who, when, etc, they often don't even know. Just keep, as Bush said, "catapulting the propaganda." Only problem is, he was discussing his own and his partys communication style at the time.
"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." —President George W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005
It is my opinion - Trigger Happy
[ In Reply To ..]that the republican party is what the democratic party used to be and the democratic party has just continued to move further left since the Civil War. Also, did you realize that most slave owners were Southern Democrats?
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[ In Reply To ..]It is true that the Democrats have to drag the Republicans along to make progress.
The D/R party is the old Democratic party.
The more intelligent and wealthy folks were usually members of the D/R party.
What relevance is your reference to slave owners, not sure I understand unless that is supposed to be a dig of some sort? If so, it doesn't bother me; however, not sure why you said it so don't want to assume.
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