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Coal miners who voted for Trump are now terrified...sm

Posted: Dec 28, 2016

they will lose their Obamacare which totally covers them and their families/widows for black-lung disease. What is equally as sad is they will lose their Obamacare, coal will not come back, and there will be no funding by the Trump administration for retraining to clean energy jobs....a lose-lose situation for some of the poorest, unhealthiest, least educated members of our society.

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Garbage! Coal miners are confiding in who - that they are "terrified"

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This is a leftist "news" source and the idea that coal miners are "terrified" should alert readers this is not a reliable source of news.

So is this a poll conducted by this news organization or how exactly did this news source meet those "terrified" coal miners they are reporting on.

The whole concept is ridiculous, including but not limited to the use of "terrified" to describe a coal miner.

They are worried that Trump will turn back the clock to pre ACA days when... - sm

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coal miners were routinely denied black-lung benefits as the onus was put on the patient to absolutely prove their disability was due to black lung. The ACA has a special clause that puts the onus on the employer to prove the miner/worker is not disabled due to black-lung disease. The miners do not want it to go back to the way it was before.

The Black Lung Act of 1973 is a federal law that pays - monthly benefits and medical

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expenses to coal miners. It also pays benefits to their dependent survivors.

From what I understand, it was up to the person who.... - sm

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was applying for black lung disability to prove with 100% certainty that their disability was from black lung and many, many were denied. I do not know who was responsible for inserting the clause into the ACA but it is now on the miners' employers to prove their case. Healthcare and benefits have dramatically improved for coal miners and their families in the past few years since the ACA went into law.

So coal miners are not dependent on Obamacare - for medical bills?

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They aren't terrified? They already have their medical needs and expenses paid?

Why would Trump turn back clock? - What advantage is there for him to do that?

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The coal miners voted for Trump. Why would he cross them?

There is a Coal Healthcare and Pensions - Protections Act including their pensions

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and union benefits, on top of the 1973 act someone mentioned above.

This is just a way to try and scare people about Obamacare.

Notice the theme, coal miners health care and Obama signing a last - minute coal restriction?

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That's no coincidence. It's payback for WV going for Trump.

Watch for riots like "hands off my Obamacare" and - stuff like that soon.

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I see what Obama is about now. A sleezy - pay-back which diminishes his standing

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I thought he lowered himself as low as he could by campaigning for a known negligent liar with a pay-for-play Clinton Foundation, but now he has sunk to new depths with this pay-back scheme.

Go back to Kenya Obama and take your dude-wife with you.

US coal miners face cutoff of PENSION and health benefits, - because their union ran out of money.

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More than 120,000 retired coal miners are threatened with the cutoff of health and pension benefits over the next several months as the United Mine Workers Health and Retirement Fund runs out of money.

This includes 16,000 retired miners from Patriot Coal in West Virginia, Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky and Illinois who are threatened with the loss of medical coverage by April, and another 6,500 who could see their health benefits terminated later in the year.

In addition, 89,000 miners and family members, and another 22,000 miners whose pensions are vested but who have not received payouts, face the loss of their pensions or severe cutbacks if the union retirement fund goes bankrupt or is dumped into the government’s nearly insolvent Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation.

The tragedy that is unfolding is the outcome of decades of betrayals by the United Mine Workers of America (UMWA), which have left the miners—historically the most militant and class-conscious section of the American working class—facing destitution.

The immediate cause of the crisis is the sharp falloff in coal demand and the moves by several companies, including the world’s largest producer, Peabody Coal, to declare bankruptcy and set up dummy companies to shed their obligations. In exchange for its complicity, the UMWA has been given control of retiree health care schemes known as Voluntary Employees Beneficiary Associations, or VEBAs, which serve as slush funds for the union executives.

As long as the ACA is in effect, the health benefits of miners with black lung are guaranteed.. sm - oldtimer

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as are their disability benefits. Once the ACA is repealed, their future is very uncertain. Pensions are a whole different can of worms.

As long as Obamacare is in effect, I have to pay a fine if I don't have - coverage, which by the way tripled.

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Some people get it, others are paying for it. We can't afford it, but if we drop it we have to pay a fine.

There are a lot of people suffering under this law as well. Obamacare not only made care and coverage more expensive, it took away choices.

We are talking about the ACA and coal miners with - black-lung disease. nm

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Not very likely. Congress saw it coming and they - Truthhurts

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have a bill pending called the Miners Protection Act which has just come OUT of committee and Congress should be able to vote on it this coming year.

According to Power Source,four U.S. Senators representing Appalachian communities hit hard by coal layoffs and bankruptcies introduced legislation today [my note - back in July 2015] that would shore up retirement pensions and ensure health care benefits.

The bill proposes to authorize the transfer of excess funds from a U.S. Environmental Protection Agency program that cleans up abandoned mine lands to the United Mine Workers of America’s severely underfunded 1974 Pension Plan, which is in danger of running out of money.

Pennsylvania Democrat Bob Casey joined Sens. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, Joe Manchin, D-West Virginia and Shelley Moore Capito, R-West Virginia to introduce the bill, called the Miners Protection Act.

Just 10,000 active workers pay into the fund from which 120,000 miners draw pension checks, he noted, as the number of working coal miners have been slashed in recent years due to layoffs.

If the 1974 plan goes broke, the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp., a federal agency that backs up private sector pension programs, will assume the billions of dollars of liabilities and monthly pension checks could be cut.

“Miners across Pennsylvania have risked their personal safety to secure a better life for their families and contribute to our nation’s energy portfolio. We can’t let their retirements disappear,” Mr. Casey said.

To reduce transfers from the abandoned mine lands fund, the bill would also extend the eligibility of a benefit plan the UMWA negotiated in 1993 to certain miners who lost health care benefits following their employer’s bankruptcy. This would apply to miners who worked for Patriot Coal Corp., the West Virginia producer that in May went bankrupt for the second time in three years

BTW, it's sad that people only listen to one side of an argument. Did anyone really think dirty water and dirty air would happen with the EXCESSIVE regulations are repealed? No one in Congress is ready to go back to the '50s and it's people who think that need to get better reading material and/or stop spreading lies. That's stupidity at it's finest yet it spreads because people don't think and rely on the lies all the time...

AND did anyone realize that if Obama's regulations take effect, YOU ALL willbe paying double or triple for electricity and at risk for blackouts and brownouts like CA suffers because some power plants would need to shut down? We don't have enough solar or wind power to take over and supply the majority of electricity that is covered by coal-fired power plants. Plus the expense of clean energy is still too expensive.

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