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California Prop 187 in 1994 LOST California for the GOP

Posted: Nov 7, 2012

red for Reagan and H.W. Bush, but NO more. California's gone very blue in Presidential elections ever since.

For those who don't remember, 187 was an attempt by conservatives to deny schooling and healthcare to illegal immigrant children. It outraged MANY of all backgrounds, but it especially activated the Hispanics it was aimed at; and although it was later voided as unconstitutional, the damage it did to the GOP lives on.

If no 187, we might well have woke up to a President-Elect Romney this morning. If no pandering to a spiteful, bigoted base by the GOP this election even, perhaps...President-Elect Romney.

Just a thought for pubs to chew on.

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I remember 187. - RC

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I wasn't old enough to vote at the time, I was still in school. In fact, I was just starting high school. Our school was about 50% white kids and 50% Hispanic kids, Asian kids, black kids, etc, mostly Hispanic kids. None of us really realized that there was a racial issue until that prop came up and people started talking about illegal immigrants, etc. Now I know for a fact many of the kids I went to school with and was friends with came to this country under the radar, and I couldn't image any of them being shipped away from us. I was not alone in my feelings, and prop 187 did not pass, but it still left us feeling tainted.

More recently, prop H8te came along and stirred us up again, and I was shocked that it passed. My city was overwhelmingly against the proposition, so I apparently lived in a bubble in that regard. I was terribly disappointed when it passed. I love my state very much, and I hope it can be revisited in the future, to a different end.

That was quite a rant!

An old white conservative is on TV right now saying they have to find a - way to deal with immigration RESPECTFULLY!

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Yes. You can almost see the lightbulb that went on in his head, like floating in a cartoon bubble.

SUCH a radical notion. No to illegal crossings. No to creating jobs here FOR people here but requiring them to enter illegally, then cheating and abusing them. Yes, to treating people decently.

I'd say a real advance in this knuckle-dragger's thinking is already being made. Nothing like hitting money men in the pocketbook to get their attention. (And losing an overly business-friendly presidency WILL cost them big).

Illegal - NO benefits - Should be my choice - Tax Payer, Not moocher

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Not tax-payers debt, if parents are so irresponsible to bring their children with no legal status....should not be our burden. Should be sent to their home country and should be those individuals' responsibility. If I do something illegal, I will be punished, not rewarded. I know I will get lots of hate mail, but enough is enough. There are so many immigrants in our country that came to our country through legal channels and actually support their families....by all means come legally and we all will welcome with warm hearts and open arms.

You're very sincere, but the idea that children should be - turned away from ERs outraged most

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people, who were shocked and disgusted. Most importantly, it was a real eye-opener about the GOP, including to many conservatives about what their party had become and the hateful ideas they had inadvertently been empowering. The vast majority of churches came out against 187, leaving no doubt in the minds of decent people that it was a shameful manifestation of our very worst faults as a society.

As for those who supported it anyway? They got what they deserved. Rejection of their ideas and from then to now years of failure and disappointment.

The whole point of this thread, Payer, was to point out that what began in California, and other places, is now a national situation. Put a leash on the meanspiritedness or be prepared for years of bitter disappointment.

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