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Bipartisan deficit commission

Posted: Feb 6, 2010

Last month, a bipartisan commission went down in flames in the Senate after 7 republicans who sponsored the bill voted against it. Now, Obama is putting together a bipartisan commission and the republicans are still complaining it's not good enough.

Obama is telling them to come to the table and present their ideas. They are saying no. And then accusing him of not listening.

The problem seems to be that the republicans expect Obama to follow their platform (tax breaks for big business and the upper class). If he doesn't, they don't want to be any part of any other attempt at a solution. The American people elected Obama and a democratic majority in both houses. Why on earth would the republicans expect a purely republican platform to be followed? It has become obvious that if they can't get their way, they will try to make sure that nothing gets done to fix anything.

Is it any wonder the electorate is saying let's get on with it even if the elected republicans refuse to participate? Constant bashing without offering alternatives may get by on a message board, but it's not something we should accept from congress. That is the problem with the dems in congress. It is well past time that they start working to put their plans into play and stop trying to placate the republican members.

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I agree 100%. - nm

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nm

There's your bottom line -- it's the pub way or the highway .. . . . - Really?

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and we the people suffer. I'm so tired of hearing all the whining about the President not listening . . . the hand has been extended, concessions have been made out the wazoo, but it will never be enough

How They Voted - Backwards Typist

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Co-Sponsors of the bills are in red. FYI: There were 22 Co-Sponsors. Where did you get the info about the 7 voting against it?

YEAs ---53
Alexander (R-TN)
Bayh (D-IN)
Begich (D-AK)
Bennet (D-CO)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Boxer (D-CA)
Carper (D-DE)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Graham (R-SC)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagan (D-NC)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kaufman (D-DE)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
LeMieux (R-FL)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reid (D-NV)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Tester (D-MT)
Udall (D-CO)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (D-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Wicker (R-MS)
Wyden (D-OR)

NAYs ---46
Akaka (D-HI)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bennett (R-UT)
Brown (D-OH)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Burris (D-IL)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Casey (D-PA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dodd (D-CT)
Ensign (R-NV)
Grassley (R-IA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kirk (D-MA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Merkley (D-OR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (D-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Thune (R-SD)
Udall (D-NM)
Whitehouse (D-RI)

Not Voting - 1
Murkowski (R-AK)

Begich (D-AK)
Bennet (D-CO)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Boxer (D-CA)
Carper (D-DE)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Graham (R-SC)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagan (D-NC)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kaufman (D-DE)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
LeMieux (R-FL)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reid (D-NV)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Tester (D-MT)
Udall (D-CO)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (D-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Wicker (R-MS)
Wyden (D-OR)

NAYs ---46
Akaka (D-HI)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bennett (R-UT)
Brown (D-OH)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Burris (D-IL)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Casey (D-PA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dodd (D-CT)
Ensign (R-NV)
Grassley (R-IA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kirk (D-MA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Merkley (D-OR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (D-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Thune (R-SD)
Udall (D-NM)
Whitehouse (D-RI)

Not Voting - 1
Murkowski (R-AK)

HJR 45 vs S Amdt 3302, same bill, different outcome. - Amdt defeated in Senator. Senate votes….

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BWT is right on this one.

Turned the bill upside down, 53 Nays, 4 Yays. Sponsor: Senator Kent Conrad, D-ND. There were 9 democrat cosponsors and 7 rebpulican cosponsors. Senate Cosponsors are:

Sen. Alexander, Lamar (R-TN)
Sen. Bayh, Evan (D-IN)
Sen. Begich, Mark (D-AK)
Sen. Bennet, Michael (D-CO)
Sen. Bingaman, Jeff (D-NM)
Sen. Collins, Susan (R-ME)
Sen. Corker, Bob (R-TN)
Sen. Dorgan, Byron (D-ND)
Sen. Feinstein, Dianne (D-CA)
Sen. Graham, Lindsey (R-SC)
Sen. Gregg, Judd (R-NH)
Sen. Isakson, John (R-GA)
Sen. Klobuchar, Amy (D-MN)
Sen. LeMieux, George (R-FL)
Sen. Lieberman, Joseph (I-CT)
Sen. McCaskill, Claire (D-MO)

21 democrats broke with their party to vote Nay.
Dodd, Akala, Inouye, Harkin, Burris, Cardin, Mikulski, Stabenow, Baucus, lautenberg, Udall, Brown, Merkley, Casey, Specter, Whitehouse, Reed, Cantwell, Murray, Rockefeller, Byrd,

7 cosponsors all voted Yay plus 10 republicans who broke with their party to vote Yay.
Chambliss, Lugar, Vitter, Bond, Wicker, Johanns, Voinovich, Corker, Cornyn, Enzi.

Sorry to say this, but democrats killed this bill in the Senate. Looks like there are more senators who do not want to work with each other than there are those who do. Obama has two choices: Go with an all-democrat commission or try to resurrect the notion and convince fellow democrats to take a grown up pill and play ball. Should prove interesting.

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_member.php?cs_id=28464

Correction - NJ

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Six of the republican sponsors voted no, one missed the vote, and at least one who supported it before (not a sponsor) voted no once Obama supported it.

Read it here.

I know it's hard to keep all the no votes straight. There are so many of them. But this story is true even if Fox didn't cover it.

I am confused. Are we talking about a differet bill. - or is Project Vote Smart inaccurate?

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I saw this same story reported on MSNBC, but when BWT posted, I went to the link I posted (Vote Smart) and found that info on HJR 45, S Amdt 3302. The date of defeat on that measure was Jan 26 2010. They did not list (for example) KB Hutchison as a cosponsor.

Has there been another bill introduced since then that you are talking about? Do you know the name of the bill?

I read that article but either they are confused or I am - Backwards Typist

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I checked H.J.RES45, and the other connected amendments. Most had NO co-sponsors. Since S.Amdt 3302 did not achieve the 60 votes necessary, it was rejected.

The 7 supposed co-sponsors who voted Nay in the article posted must be from some other bill.

McCain did co-sponser S.Amdt 3303 which would rescind $120 billion in federal spending by consolidating duplicative government programs,cut wasteful spending and return billions of unspent money. He voted yes.

Crapo,Ensign and Inhofe were 3 of 31 co-sponsors on S.Amdt.3301 which would terminate authority under the TARP program. They voted yes.

And, as an aside, I see you couldn't help throwing another dig at Fox, but probably none of the stations you watch reported this either.

Found it. Different title. S. 2853. Article is worthwhile. - Cant force revote. Links...

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Another article
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/01/president-obama-to-push-bipartisan-debt-reduction-commission----but-it-wont-have-any-power-to-force-a-vote.html

Here it is. Scroll down the page to find cosponsors.
http://www.votesmart.org/speech_detail.php?sc_id=518308

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