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Where is his outrage?

Posted: Dec 3, 2014

Where is Mr. Begic's protests? Where are Jackson and Sharpton at? Where is the media? Why is there no public outcry for his murder? He was murdered by 5 TEENAGERS with hammers. Why were those teenagers carrying hammers? Were they rebuilding Ferguson? There is not one word on this board about this tragedy. Why not? Why are we not outraged? It was a human life beaten out of existence by 5 thugs. I just pray I don't see their mothers on TV later telling the press what a good boy he is. I will puke. As human beings we should be ashamed of ourselves. Look at our youth. Killing people with hammers and it took 5 of them to do it. Never mind that he was white skinned. Never mind that he was driving late at night. Never mind that he was a "foreigner." He was a human being. I am outraged that this happened. Was it profiling? Was it anger leftover from Ferguson? Was it just boredom? Who cares what it was, where is the outrage for this man? Stepping down from my soap box now.

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OOPS so mad forgot to change boards - Rusty

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SORRY, forgot to switch boards before I vented.

Were these teenagers Jr. Police Officers? - Cadets in training?

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Nope...... - Rusty

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Nope, ummm, I believe they were lifers in training, and they passed with flying colors.

Aren't you being sarcastic? - nana7

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a man lost his life by these thugs. When does a police officer use a hammer? And you joke about it.

These animals were destroying someone's property and since when is that okay?

How can you blame the police for everything that happens in bad neighborhoods. They are bad for a reason and its not because of the police. The people that live in those communities make it bad.

I have lived in many different neighborhoods and I have watched good neighborhoods turn bad and got out.

Put the blame where blame is deserved. With the people and no one else.

There are injustices everywhere not just with black people, but black people scream the loudest. You know what they say about the squeaky wheel right?

Sarcasm is not joking - Joking makes me laugh

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Sarcasm is to make a point that seemingly cannot be made another way.

Addressed again, the Michael Brown killing was done by someone in authority whom we hold to a higher standard.

There are outrageous, horrendous murders committed everyday, everywhere in the U.S. and otherwise and we have people to whom we hold to a higher standard that we ask to investigate and enforce laws. When We lose faith in that process, then there is outrage. That is what the Michael Brown protests are about. A cumulative effect of outrage that the people we look to in authority are abusing and misinterpreting the process.

Absolutely and the Brown protests are - NOT just about Brown

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it is a catalyst for decades if not hundreds of years of INjustice to the black community in this nation.

and for those who disagree about the inequality and unfairness, get back to me when you have been a member of long-time OPPRESSED and even persecuted race. Otherwise you have no clue what that must be like.

Don't talk to me about being opporessed.... - nana7

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You think its just black people being oppressed?

Let me give you a little story. I used to work with a black woman who was going through a divorce and they were at the child support stage of the divorce. She did not get what she thought was fair child support and because her husband was white and the judge was white she blamed it on them being white and her being black.

I had 4 children and when I went for child support I got $10.00 per child a week and was told by a white judge, you have the opportunity to work overtime, try working more of it. But you can't break that man.

So when I told her my experience in the court her comment to me was I didn't think that happened to white people. Why not? Do you think I have people banging down my door to help? No I didn't. I strugged just like everyone else did, no Christmases for my kids, worrying about bills and putting groceries in the house. But when I hear crap that it only happens to black people and you are the only one oppressed the little hairs on my neck stand up. Just because I am white does not mean I have access to anything more than you have access too. So oppression is not directed only to black people.

And just how are you a persecuted race? I am married to a man whose Jewish extended family was wiped out in Poland. Those people were persecuted for their race. You on the other hand like to think you are persecuted for your race. The only persecution is in your head.

I am Maltese and every time I go to the airport I get pulled aside and they rub crap on my hands to see if I have gun powder on my hands, they make me go through the full body scanner, they stick their hands in my pockets, and inside the rim of my shirt next to my breasts etc. This has happened to me 6 times since 9-11. Should I riot over that? Should I throw a stink over it? Or should I consider it just making sure we are all safe on the airplane? Just because I look Arab does not make me a terrorist.

So I know a little about profiling cause it happens to us too. Not just blacks. That is what upsets me, you seem to think everything only happens to black people and you have the ordacity to call me racist. If the shoe fits, wear it. I wear mine proudly.

You have met a black person who exhibits - reverse racism

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This does not mean racism/oppression does not exist.

You, yourself, and your husband's ancestors have been victim to oppression does not mean oppression/racism against blacks in 2014 does not exist. There is still racism against Jewish people and people of all sorts of colors, religions and sexual persuasion, too.

The protest I attended focused on oppression of many, not just blacks.

I guess you got back to her as the member of a group that has been oppressed. I don't care to address whose oppression is worse or how long (invalid as far as I am concerned).

My observation would be that you should be interested in the protest too, to preserve your own rights.

Now I have heard it all, reverse racism. - nana7

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Reverse racism? What is that? Racism is racism. Is there a difference. I think not and maybe you should look the definition of racism up and see what it truely means. If you want to keep the divide going that is one way to do it, its just plain racism when it happens to a black person, but reverse racism when it happens to a white person.
It also means racism exists for whites in 2014, I experienced it in May at the airport by two black women.

We all, every one of us have experienced one form or another of racism. It's what we do with it that makes the difference. Being part of an illegal mob and breaking the law is not what I want to be a part of.

What they are doing is breaking the law and each and every one of them should have charges brought against them. To hurt innocent people goes against everything I believe in. I will lay you odds most of the thugs don't know what they were rioting for. A riot is not the answer and turns the attention away from the reason it started.

The grand jury made their decision and its final. That is what we do here in America. The justice system is the final word. We don't have to like it but we do have to respect it.

I never said racism/oppression does not exist. It exists for everyone not just one race. But again blacks seem to think it only happens to them.

When the words white and black are not included in every topic of discussion then we will be making progress. Not until then.

This may be one of the times social media - just doesn't work

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I was pointing out that individual instances do not necessarily work out to make generalizations about the whole.

And, that the incidents that have occurred to you, should not be taken lightly and were not right either.

And, that just because you have learned to live with it and "accept" it, doesn't mean everyone should or would.

Oppression - Patriot

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You wrote: "You on the other hand like to think you are persecuted for your race. The only persecution is in your head."

You know, just because you have experienced profiling and racism does not mean that others' claims of persecution are wrong. Blacks in this country absolutely are subjected to oppression, racism, and profiling, for no other reason than the color of their skin and the areas in which they live.

You wrote: "That is what upsets me, you seem to think everything only happens to black people and you have the ordacity [sic] to call me racist. If the shoe fits, wear it. I wear mine proudly."

So, not only do you admit to being racist, you're proud of it?!?! Well, I guess I appreciate your honesty, but it's no wonder you refuse to believe blacks are systematically marginalized.

Patriot - nana7

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You are twisting my words and trying to stir the pot. What I said is if that makes me a racist then I will wear it proudly. I did not admit to being a racist in fact I said I was not and I am not. I have many black friends, who I am very close with. Why, because their believes are a lot like mine. They don't continue to bring up race, slavery, or anything else. They believe they are responsible for their actions and their fate. No one else is. When something goes wrong in their life they don't claim its because of the color of their skin.

I see racism on TV all the time by Al Sharpton, yet if it was a white person they would be called a racist and all hell would break loose.

Don't talk to me about oppression, racism and profiling. Christians were profiled, oppressed and killed for their beliefs. Jews persecuted for who they were, their religion. So no I do not believe blacks are oppressed any more than the rest of us. Like I said when I got my divorce I didn't know what we were going to do or where our next meal was coming from, but with the grace of God we made it through it and survived. I could have blamed it on everyone else but I didn't. Like the phrase says when the going gets tough the tough get going. That is what I lived by during that time and still do.

If they were fighting for profiling for everyone, oppression for everyone, racism for everyone I would walk down the street along with them. But they are not they are only fighting for the black people as if it doesn't happen to anyone else.

So if all of this makes me a racist then I will gladly wear that title.

Google the name Steve Utash, the white man who accidentally hit a black boy and broke his leg. He got out to help and a mob beat him to an inch of his life. All caught on video. When they prosecuted 5-6 of this mob, not one of them got any jail time, yet this man was in a coma for months, is permanently disabled with permanent brain damage. No one, including a lot of black people liked the sentences they got, probation, but did we riot no. Did we protest no. We accepted the decision. My whole point is it just does not happen to black people, it happens to every race.

I never claimed their claim of persecution is wrong. All I said is they are not the only ones that have been persecuted. Or did you forget to read that line.

So please before you try to start trouble and s___ start read the entire post.

Racism - Patriot

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Nana7: "They believe they are responsible for their actions and their fate. No one else is. When something goes wrong in their life they don't claim its because of the color of their skin."

I applaud you and them for that stance on personal responsibility. I share that view myself. But no amount of personal responsibility would have stopped the murder of Tamir Rice or John Crawford. Personal responsibility doesn't protect you from the actions of others.

Nana7: "Christians were profiled, oppressed and killed for their beliefs. Jews persecuted for who they were, their religion. So no I do not believe blacks are oppressed any more than the rest of us."

Yes, there have been instances of oppression of various peoples throughout history. That does not in any way diminish the fact that blacks are oppressed in many ways today. Educational and employment opportunities, lending and housing, disproportionate incarceration rates, attempts to disenfranchise at the voting booth, and so on. These things are facts. They're true whether you believe them or not.

Nana7: "Like I said when I got my divorce I didn't know what we were going to do or where our next meal was coming from, but with the grace of God we made it through it and survived. I could have blamed it on everyone else but I didn't."

I'm sure that was a trying time for you. However, your comparison if invalid. You are conflating your temporary individual poverty with systematic racial oppression. They are not at all the same thing!

Nana7: "I never claimed their claim of persecution is wrong. All I said is they are not the only ones that have been persecuted. [...] My whole point is it just does not happen to black people, it happens to every race."

What you claimed is that you "do not believe blacks are oppressed any more than the rest of us". Your own words. But that is *exactly the same* as saying blacks are not oppressed. Because, you see, if everyone is oppressed equally, then it's not oppression, *by definition*.

Unfortunately, everyone is not treated equally, and blacks are oppressed. Your failure to see, accept, or admit it doesn't change it. They're certainly not the only ones who are experiencing such issues. But that doesn't make it acceptable.

I wasn't around for 100s of years and neither were you - nana7

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You said it is a catalyst for decades if not hundreds of years of INjustice to the black community in this nation.

There is the point, the black community. Racism exists for everyone not just blacks. But they are not fighting for everyone they are only fighting for blacks. So doesn't that make them racists?

Okay - Rusty

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No, don't personally know, but my mother used to tell me horror stories about hers. she was an AMERICAN INDIAN. Now there is something we should be protesting.

Squeaky wheel? - I know what they say about

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You wrote: There are injustices everywhere not just with black people, but black people scream the loudest. You know what they say about the squeaky wheel right?

Yes, and I also know what they say about transparent *racism*...

racism? - nana7

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If you want to call me a racist then do so. Furthest from the truth. I am against the voilence whether you are white or black, Hispanic or Arab. There are white thugs, black thugs, and every other nationality thugs. That is what I am against and if you think I am racist then I am racist to the whole world. Just so happens when something happens to a black person they take to the streets. To protest peacefully is one thing but what they are doing has nothing to do with MB. To break into stores and steal how does that help the cause how?

If it would have been 5 white thugs that killed that man for no reason I would have said the same thing.

You don't think police have not killed white people for reasons that were wrong. Yes they have, but we don't riot in the streets, burning down buildings, looting and killing other people.

I can walk down my street at night without fear of being killed or robbed. Would I do it in a major city, no I would not. But that's not the police departments fault. Its the people that make up that community that make their neighborhoods what they are.

So if that makes me a racist, then I wear that title proudly.

just how it goes..sm - feelyourpain

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It's just how it goes. People need to start taking responsibility for their actions. All races. Society in general is breeding a very narcissistic generation and generations to come. It truly is sickening. The media just feeds into it of course and pushes it the way they want it to go. I haven't even heard this story yet. This is horrible.

Twitter shows people actually protesting - in Bevo area in St. Louis

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about this killing. Not sure the focus of the protest, but, yes, indeed, crowds of people in the streets protesting.

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