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Can the New York Times be cited as proof of wiretapping?


Posted: Mar 7, 2017

Note the title of the online article linked below: Intercepted Russian Communications Part of Inquiry Into Trump Associates https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?_r=0 Note that this article was posted 1/19/17. The day before Trump was sworn into office. Now read the fine print at the bottom of the article: A version of this article appears in print on January 20, 2017, on Page A1 of the New York edition with the headline: Wiretapped Data Used in Inquiry of Trump Aides. Why was the headline changed? Here's an interesting bit from the article: "The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit. The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said. One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House." That would be Obama's White House, Obama's FBI, Obama's NSA, Obama's CIA, and Obama's Treasury Department. Can anyone seriously deny that Trump was wiretapped by the previous administration? The Flynn tape was released, wasn't it? How was that info obtained if the paragraph quoted above is untrue? I try to stay balanced and see both sides. I'd really like to hear what people who lean left think about this. ;

The wire tapped data came from the Russians who were under surveillance - sm

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You see, when party A (Trump's aide) calls party B (a Russian) and party B's (the Russian's line) is tapped, they also get information on party A (Trump's aide).

Totally legal.

Having read the law, I'm not sure I agree - sm

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Russians under surveillance would fall under the FISA law. That means the "President, through the Attorney General," may have authorized it.

The fact that "party A (Trump's aide)" had information collected on him means the "minimization procedures" were not followed. Thus, the cited agencies broke the law. The article states the findings were reported to the Obama White House.

1802(b) seems particularly damaging to your argument that it was totally legal. In essence it states, it's all well and good for the President and Attorney General to do this "unless such surveillance may involve the acquisition of communications of any United States person."

Please read the quoted sections of the law yourself:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/1802

A link to the entire subchapter:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/chapter-36/subchapter-I

Common sense - sm

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The last I saw, there were "layers". Of course, the tap would have to hear both sides of the conversation. Then the next ring/lay goes to contacts of the contacts, but that may need another judge order--can't remember.

Doesn't matter, the primary parties are legal. Why else bother to wiretap,i.e., listen to the drug dealer, but not to his contacts? Really? Otherwise there is no point in it.

I do not need to be a lawyer.
You might want to have that checked - sm
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The 4th amendment protects all American citizens, including those who may speak with a drug dealer and those work for Trump. The law is very clear.

If they want to listen to a drug dealer and his contact, they need to get a warrant for both of them.

My common sense says: Innocent until proven guilty. No wiretap without a warrant. No warrant without proven just cause.
Did you hold that same standard for Hillary? - sm
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Upteen millions were spend on multiple committees to find something on Hillary and they never did. But, yet, she was always presumed guilty by the Republican smear campaign. With all these government leaks, she was really smart keeping her private server.
Yes. I did. But you digress... :) - nm
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