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The Oregon shooter was part of a social media network called 4chan


Posted: Oct 2, 2015

I went on there for a few minutes last night and the posters on that site are all nuts! They hate everything that stands for America and hate religion, period. They goad others into taking their "brave" postings into reality, IOW following through with threats. I thought the FBI should investigate this site then learned a couple hours later that they ARE investigate every post on there..

As it was pointed out by different law enforcement personnel. those in the mental health field, and/or those who study the reasons for these shootings, they have noticed that most mass shootings happen in GUN FREE ZONES and by someone with MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS, yet no one wants to talk about remedies for mental health problems, yet they want to jump on gun owners all the time and talk about taking away the guns.

Today, it was made public that the shooter left a multipage hateful writing explanation, had 4 hand guns on him, 1 long gun, and 7 to 9 more guns at home, that he was fascinated by guns, that some were bought BY him and others bought FOR him by others and all were legal.  

But it doesn't matter....this is just another ploy for more gun control or taking the guns away completely. Look at NY state. The liberal "communist" which is how I describe anyone who wants to take away most of our freedoms, tried to force the gun owners to register their guns in a database. The idea slowly and quietly went away (as far as I know) when the gun owners refused to comply and that's what you have to do if confronted with losing any of our freedoms. Some you can't do anything about but most can. 

What I'd find disgusting is Obama coming out a couple hours after the shooting and carrying on about this...yet never said anything about the cops that were shot, the Black Lives Matter movement that goads blacks to shoot and kill whites and cops -- and, thankfully, arresting the woman for doing that exact thing through a video while pointing a hand gun and machete at the camer-- and never, EVER anything about the strictest gun control/gun free cities and states that have the highest violent crime rates in the country, like Chicago with 50 shootings in one weekend. 

The thinking is all screwed up but that's okay. We'll just take the guns away and these crimes will stop....pie in the sky attitudes.  Over 300,000 murders were done in the U.K. last year with knives and machetes. Take away the gun and it'll be whatever other weapon they decide to use.

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St. Reagan opened the loonie bins and dumped - them on the street

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Healthcare isn't of much interest to the Republican party. I dare say it would be easier to take away their guns.

does this have to be political? - I don't know anyone....

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democrat or republican who doesn't want this to stop - your post was pointless...except to try to start a fight.

It's the politics board? - It is supposed to be political

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And how do you do that without HIPPA rules AND - Truthhurts

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law-abiding citizens. Can't do it....

Liberal alert!!!! If you don't like neutral sites, don't read this. It does not conform with the stupidity of Mother Jones, Media Matters, Slate, or any other sites that hate sensible Republicans or conservatives.

Here's some facts for you:
In 1967, the California legislature passed the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act (LPS), which allowed local, private (i.e., non-state) mental facilities to accept more patients—particularly those with more treatable or milder forms of mental illness.

Governor Reagan signed the bill into law; in his view, this was a win-win: mental health patients would receive treatments, and in turn the funding to state mental facilities could be reduced. Of course, the state facilities cried foul at the cut in funding, even though in theory they were not being under-funded. Of course, with a lower case load, treatments improved; however, some facilities reduced headcount.

Without a requirement that all mental health patients go to public facilities, many borderline individuals simply refused private treatment as was their right. Without a requirement that all mental health patients go to public facilities, many borderline individuals simply refused private treatment as was their right.

Later, the Carter administration signed into law the Mental Health Systems Act of 1980, which largely promoted the same idea for national facilities.

In 1981, both parties agreed to the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981, President Reagan signed that into law. One of the provisions was to ELIMINATE FEDERAL FUNDING for community services AND TRANSFER FUNDING BACK TO INDIVIDUAL OR STATE-FUNDED EFFORTS.

In other words, BIPARTISAN policies recommended that the Federal government TRANSFER GOVERNMENT FUNDING BACK TO THE STATES. In 1986, he also signed into a law another BIPARTISAN solution to have Medicaid assist with funding. THE LAWS DIDN'T CLOSE A SINGLE FACILITY.

THE FACT IS THAT STATES CLOSED SOME FACILITIES AND LET STAFF GO AT OTHERS DUE TO THEIR OWN BUDGET ISSUES, NOT because Reagan signed any BIPARTISAN law.

I'm so sick of progressive revisionist history. - Blaming Reagan for the mental health

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industry. Truth is, the ACLU pushed for it. Reagan didn't close any mental health facilities. He signed a bill called the patient's right bill that. among other things, prohibited forced medication or extended hospital stays without a judicial hearing. "

I've enclosed a link, after much research, from the NYT so you can't claim it's a "right wing" rag, from 1984. It's lengthy and contains much information.

I've got to get faster posting...I usually take my - Truthhurts

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reading an article prior to posting so you jumped in ahead of me. LOL

I just posted the same link.
Great minds think alike! I have several other links, - but I tried to find a short one.
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I would place a bet 10:1 it will not be read anyway, and the - revisionist history will continue.
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It's easier to believe the narrative than actually do the research.
It was all started by Ted Kennedy. He even went behind Reagan back to the - Soviet Union trying to undermine him.
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Talk about treason. This is all from the KGB archives. He also made it difficult for the FBI and CIA to protect the American people by restrictions placed in 1978.

Blaming Reagan for mental illness and homelessness is ridiculous and small potatoes compared to what Kennedy did.

How come the left never talks about Ted Kennedy? Don't answer that. It's rhetorical.

Keeping truth alive.
Kind of like Cotton and the conservatives... - sm
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in Congress went behind Obama's back to both Iran and Israel?
Unfortunately, in a fundamentally tranformed America, - there is now rule out law anymore
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Cotton was the only one to vote against the Corker capitulation. This Iran deal is aiding Iran to get a nuke.

I see Obama as the traitor in this case.

Reagan elected 1980 - sm

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The 1981 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act repealed the provisions of the National Mental Health Systems Act, cut federal mental health and substance abuse allocations by twenty-five percent, and converted them to block grants disbursed with few strings attached. New York State, which used block-grant monies to fund community-based programs, and other states have to cut mental health programs

Here's part of an article explaining the problem BY psychiatrists themselves - Truthhurts

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Had nothing really to do with Reagan. He signed the laws Congress passed but why did Congress pass those bills? here's an explanations from former NIH and other board psychiatrists. I will do only 3 paragraphs because the article is very long but post the link.
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Dr. Robert H. Felix, who was then director of the National Institute of Mental Health and a major figure in the shift to community centers, says now on reflection: ''Many of those patients who left the state hospitals never should have done so. We psychiatrists saw too much of the old snake pit, saw too many people who shouldn't have been there and we overreacted. The result is not what we intended, and perhaps we didn't ask the questions that should have been asked when developing a new concept, but psychiatrists are human, too, and we tried our damnedest.''

Dr. John A. Talbott, president of the American Psychiatric Association, said, ''The psychiatrists involved in the policy making at that time certainly oversold community treatment, and our credibility today is probably damaged because of it.'' He said the policies ''were based partly on wishful thinking, partly on the enormousness of the problem and the lack of a silver bullet to resolve it, then as now.''

The original policy changes were backed by scores of national professional and philanthropic organizations and several hundred people prominent in medicine, academia and politics. The belief then was widespread that the same scientific researchers who had conjured up antibiotics and vaccines during the outburst of medical discovery in the 50's and 60's had also developed penicillins to cure psychoses and thus revolutionize the treatment of the mentally ill.

http://www.nytimes.com/1984/10/30/science/how-release-of-mental-patients-began.html?pagewanted=all

You are wrong - anonie

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Okay Jimmy Carter and Congress passed a bill in 1980 that poor Ronald Reagan inherited.

http://www.miwatch.org/2011/02/_ronald_reagan_and_mental.html

This kid was not around when Reagan opened the doors - He has nothing to do with this - sm

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That's a far stretch and you should be ashamed of yourself for trying to equate this mass murderer with republicans.

Do you really want to go down that road? If so we can talk about the KKK being liberal.

Funny timing too...can't take away people's guns fast enough...now this is created to try and get the weak minded behind gun control.

If this was not a gun-free campus and people had concealed weapons, this murderer would not have killed those innocent people. Funny how all the mass murders are happening at places where guns are not allowed. Think on that one.

His mother does not sound real sane either - nm

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PKP

Chris Mintz, the guy who tried to stop him, had guns but the school made - him keep them in his car,

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since this is a gun free zone. He could have stopped the killer much sooner.
The presence of other students with guns - would likely have just -
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inflamed the situation further, with even more deaths.

In El Dorado County, CA, a similar plot to shoot up a school was successfully stopped - not only because students who became suspicious told someone, but more importantly, because the school LISTENED.

That's the effective way to deal with gun-toting whackos, instead of actually BECOMING just another gun-toter.

Intelligence, communication and cooperation are far more effective weapons against violence than simply having more people with guns. The more guns that are in existence, the higher the law of averages raises the potential for gunshot victims.

First they try to take away our guns, now they want to take away our - meat! Here's a story about vegan protesters.

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VIDEO--https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJzw7SeVnHI

A group of vegans thought they would further their cause by storming a Toronto steakhouse, peppering a hostess with questions and shouting at customers.

Instead, even those on the left are ridiculing their tactics.

“So, I’m just wondering, I don’t see any dog meat here,” the protester said to the hostess trying to wait on restaurant patrons. The hostess stood stone-faced, either un-amused or not understanding how this would could be so stupid.

“That’s the latest thing. I thought this was a meat restaurant,” the agitator said. “It’s steak,” the hostess replied.

“It's steak, but steak is made out of cows. And I see you have chicken which is obviously chicken. And I see you’ve got pigs here but you don’t have dogs here. So I’m wondering why you don’t have dog.”

The hostess shrugged her shoulders, probably wishing she called in sick this night so she didn’t have to deal with this moronic protester.

The woman handed back the menu and said, “Where’s the dog meat? I mean, you’ve got the other meats, I don’t understand it. Are you ever going to have dog meat here? Why not? I want to know!”

The woman proceeded to rant about Cecil the Lion, a chicken the woman knew “who had a unique personality” (let that sink in for a moment) that likes “corn, watermelon and hugs,” while her comrades walked around with printed signs reading, “It’s not food. It’s violence.”

In between snickers and smirks, the customers appeared to be unmoved by the protesters’ tactics.

Jenny McQueen, one of the protest organizers, tells Vice.com: “We’re trying to cause a little disruption in society. Society normalizes violence against animals, unknowingly a lot of the time. People eat meat, buy meat from the supermarket. They don’t realize what they’re eating or what they’re buying was a thinking and feeling animal. You know, pigs feel pain just like cats and dogs.

You will eat what I tell you to eat! Sounds like a liberal - to me. They bring up Cecil the Lion,

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what does a lion eat?

Come down South and do this.....PLEASE! It will be a YouTube classic in less than an hour!

This world is getting nuttier by the minute...

That's exactly it. See msg. - Casper

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These shootings happen in gun free zones and most crime happens in gun free zones (Chicago, NY, Baltimore, etc.) The average gun owner is NOT going out shooting people. It's beyond ridiculous that left can't understand this. These shootings are happening in places in which there are strict gun laws. Instead of understanding the root of the problem and working to solve it, Obama's idea is to further tighten gun laws. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want to live in another NY or Chicago.

Admiral Yamamoto: "You cannot invade mainland United - States. There would be a rifle

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behind each blade of grass."

Being armed served us well in the past.

The areas with the fewest armed citizens have the highest crime rates.

Can you imagine if Japan had invaded during WWII? The fact - that we have guns was a

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deterrent.
That one made me chuckle - nm
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