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Ferguson is still not settling down

Posted: Aug 18, 2014

Autopsy by Baden states six shots, none in back.

Head shots could be from the stance of surrender or MB charging officer. Still questions. Toxicology will lend a lot to credibility of charging and out of control actions.

Wish officer version would be publicized; however, they may be holding it fearing it wil incite more violence, waiting for toxicology and autopsy to back it up.

Fear community will not accept either way. Six shots is a lot of shots. Still feels like execution.

Meanwhile, Ferguson is going up again, tonight. One more hour before curfew. With police reaction so far tonight, who knows what is next at curfew time. This is bad, really bad.

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Thugs, thugs, and more thugs... destroying their - own.. defeats their own cause

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Whatever that was anyway. They don't wait for the whole story to come out... just act like ignorant thugs! It is disgusting and another embarrassment for the USA ! ....also, I wonder... a white police officer shoots and kills one black male. On a recent weekend 30 black males in Chicago were shot and killed by other black males, and small children were murdered by adult black males. Where is the outrage?! This is so out of prorportion. Michael Brown was no saint, and people should quit acting like he was. I am sorry he died, but if he WAS just finished robbing and then charging an officer, he did get what was coming to him. He was not a "gentle giant"... people are so full of baloney about this "sweet child".

Playing nice with irrational thugs always - enables and re-energizes them,

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Violent criminals wielding a very lethal weapon must be stopped whatever it takes. I have no patience and no sympathy for violent thugs.

I shudder to think of the long term effects of this on our crumbling society. Those burned out property owners will not be made whole, insurance does not cover damage from civil disturbances. Many have mortgages whose service depended on their business. They have been screwed in the name of social justice and may never recover.

That little Asian man in the cigar store who was punched in the face by Brown said he fears for his life.

I agree, but in my opinion the police officer who ran away - is the irrational thug

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And his protector, the idiotic police chief.

He was the one wielding the lethal weapon, the dead teenager was unarmed!

All they have to do to stop the unrest is actually get some answers as to why this happened, not insinuation, not character assassination, but the regular police work of objective details of an incident where someone died.

If you are so sure it would never happen to someone who didn't deserve it, ask yourself why you think that because it's not true.

I feel sorry for the little Asian man, but he is still alive. Also I have heard the video might have been not that Michael Brown stole the cigars, but that he did not show proof of age, so that would blow the criminal thing out of the water too.

So even having the little Asian man on an interview, telling the truth, might help things, but everything is being stage managed to orchestrate the most possible character assassination without any clear objective facts.

Perhaps the reason the witness didn't come forward is - because of what is spray

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painted on the part of the QuikTrip that wasn't burned down...Snitches Get Stitches.

The Asian man is alive because he didn't charge the police officer.

What witness are you referring to? - Many have come forward

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The Asian man is alive because he didn't charge the police officer? It appears that neither did Michael Brown.

Those shots were fired from a distance. I don't believe that makes the policeman a hero, and I have heard no proof of the allegation Michael Brown charged the police officer at all.

Yes, he did charge the police officer according to - the witness. I do not

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believe the truth any longer matters. The media already have their narrative, and it is what they will run with.

where does it say that the witness - said MB charged the police?

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I didn't see anything like that.

post a reference, please - it's that simple

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Don't be afraid, just post a reference.

There is a phone video on-site, after - shooting sm

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where there is someone speaking in the background who says that he was charging, for what it is worth...

also, the unknown, Josie, who called into the radio station, purporting to be a friend of the Officer Wilson's girlfriend, states that she was told by the girlfriend that Wilson was charged. This story, according to her, was relayed to her Sunday night, almost 30 hours after the shooting. (Plenty of time for rehearsal, IMO).

So, you can see, I don't agree much with them, but there they are. I could probably dig out that phone video cam thing if you really want it. There is a lot of swearing and conversation over the top of video just showing the tape line and body in the street.

BTW, I am obviously not the person you were writing to in your post.

Later store video produced proves he didn't - steal the cigars. He paid for them. nm

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I "liked" your comment, but disagree that it - shows he paid for them

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The store owners said that they found the "theft" so inconsequential that they did not call the police, nor did any of their employees. They said a customer must have called it in.

Still, the cop had not heard about it and had no justification for shooting him 6 times, and if all this shooting happened at close range, why isn't the cop covered in blood splatter? If the kid was close enough to be shot in the top of the head and have the bullet come out his eye, but yet he is bent over "charging" why isn't the cop covered in blood?

How many of the black males that shot black males were police - officers?

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I think your information really doesn't apply here. Maybe you can name a source?

If you pay attention to the message by black leaders, there is a lot of concern regarding black-on-black crime. But this particular case is about a white police officer who may have panicked and killed an unarmed young man. Six bullets weren't necessary to slow this young man down even if he was charging the officer. One of of the bullets went into the top of his head... Certainly this officer was trained better than that, especially in a community that is over 90% black with a 50:3 white/black police force ratio.

Not that it justifies anything, but it is important to know that the trouble makers from last night were not from the area. This is another concern of black leadership. It only makes it harder to seek justice for the unjustified treatment of unarmed black males.

I wonder how many other officers were faced with the same situation and did not shoot? That might be a good thing to research, but I doubt you will find it on the site you echoed the non-police black-on-black crime statistics.

great post - nm

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Sad that all you see are thugs - but indicative of the

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mindset that created this controversy.

Have you seen the Tibetan monks who have been said to have traveled from India to protest with the people of Ferguson? There they are with their "hands up." Have you seen all of the protestors, around the nation?

And waiting for the whole story, is a recipe for the whole story being swept under the rug and never coming out. Unfortunately, as each piece comes out, it just gets worse.

autopsy shows all shots to his front.. and cop had facial injuries - but people claim Michael was running

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from him and got shot in the back. Autopsy already proves that is wrong!! People should just shut up, go home, and wait for the rest of the details!!

Eyewitness said Brown ran from the cop car, doubled back and charged - at the officer. I bet the

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witness is going to need security now. This real-time eyewitness account closely matches Officer Wilson’s account of what happened after Brown left the police car (where he beat the officer and tried to take his gun).

It also proves he did not have his arms up either, so his - buddy lied. Yet the riots

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go on and on.

The facts don’t matter though. The media are promoting a narrative so the riots will be justified. Some things never change. It's like we live in 1965.

Good point - where are the details?

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It would help if the cop who shot him wasn't in hiding, enabled by the incompetent police chief. What is the delay with getting the real story anyway?

video of cop that was supposedly hurt - doesn't look hurt to me

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doesn't once touch his face, doesn't seem to refer to his face in his gesticulations to the other cop, nothing. IMO, he wasn't hurt.

What you are saying is exactly the truth - why are they hiding the officer?

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So 4 dislikes? Just for stating the truth? Honestly.

The actions of the police department are nothing but subterfuge and cowardice.

If the officer who shot Michael Brown had been at least held to account and questioned immediately over his actions, instead of furtively shuffled away, leaving the police chief to try to smoke and mirror this CRIME away, we might not have such unrest and we might have a few answers to questions.

And if it anything short of overkill, overreaction, murder in cold blood, why is he hiding?

Even if he did overreact, as a policeman he would be accorded a certain degree of leeway, after all George Zimmerman got away with it and he was only a pretend cop.

There is no excuse for not demanding the officer be at the very least questioned.

The governor's behavior also has been nothing short of wishy washy and unhelpful. By all accounts, he does not seem to consider himself governor of this town as they have not seen nor heard from him for years. He should remove the police chief immediately for his totally inept handling of the situation.

I'm not going to comment any further on this and - let others have their gab

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board back.

My questions - sm

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Listening this morning:

National Guard has been called in. Good or bad? Who is in charge, State Highway Patrol (Capt. Johnson), SLCPD, Ferguson or National Guard?

If calling for toxicology on Michael Brown, need to consider toxicology necessary for police officer also.

Why are people so upset with this versus Chicago, every weekend, shootings? Well, for one, this was a police officer, alone, in broad daylight who shot a black man 6 times. Most of the Chicago violence is citizens shooting one another, and if you read the reports they are not all black, but the majority are in the inner city and many drive-by, innocent bystanders.

The issue is larger than a black kid being shot.
1. Shot in broad daylight, unarmed, by a white police officer.
2. Officer did not call in situation, 911 got several calls from news media before Ferguson police heard from their own officer.
3. No pulse taken on body at scene.
4. Body left in street for hours, uncovered, shoved into SUV type vehicle, disrespect.
5. Officer taken off scene immediately and his car removed also (were both handled for forensics or was this just part of the beginning of the process of cover-up).
6. Tape of convenience store should not have been released with shooter name. Shooter story should be released with shooter name.
7. Police handling of situation, crowds, looters, protesters and journalists has been inadequate at almost every turn. The militarization escalation is not helping.

On any given day, the people in Ferguson have probably dealt with police heavy-handedness. There have probably constantly been mothers dealing with teens who recount an encounter with police and they have said "don't get all riled, just do what you're supposed to do, don't make it a big deal, try to do better." This incident turned the page. I feel the community is now at the NO MORE point. Of course, there are individuals who are not acting for the whole. There are rioters and looters, but they are not the majority, so try not to make the whole community about that group of people.

I LIVE 5 MINUTES OUTSIDE OF FERGUSON - I can tell you everything you said is true

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Our children have a right, as citizens to be "served and protected" like in any other community. There is so much outsiders do not know.

UPNORTHMT, 5 minutes out of Ferguson, - Amazed (if you are different poster)

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and anybody else living near the community of Ferguson: I am just curious, do you consider Antonio French really as good a resource as I have thought? Has he been as productive as it seems? Like I said, just curious. As much press as he has gotten, he probably has a pretty good career in front of him, if he wants to stay in the spotlights that is.

I live 5 minutes outside of Ferguson - And I am confused by the involvement of Alderman F

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You'd have to understand how St. Louis is geographically. Mr French is an alderman in the city of St Louis and I assume from that title that he lives in St Louis City. Ferguson is a suburb of St Louis County. The county and city are two different entities, they have separate governments, separate school districts, separate police departments, etc. I have no idea how Antonio French became a spokesperson for what is happening in Ferguson MO. He is good a getting in the forefront of issues, I wonder how effective he is in the ward he represents.

Alderman Antonio D. French is serving his first term as the Alderman of the 21st Ward, representing parts of the neighborhoods of The Greater Ville, Kingsway East, Mark Twain, Penrose, and O'Fallon, where he was born and raised. Prior to becoming Alderman he served the 21st Ward as the Democratic Committeeman and managed numerous winning political campaigns as the president of his own consulting firm.

During his time on the Board, French, one of the youngest city aldermen, has earned a reputation for passionately serving his ward and creating new initiatives to improve the quality of life in north St. Louis. In 2010, the Riverfront Times named him "Best Local Politician".

Last year, his "Block by Block" partnership with the non-profit Rebuilding Together and Boeing resulted in the rehab of more than 50 homes for seniors and disadvantaged homeowners.

His partnership with the Sheldon Concert Hall has led to two successful summer jazz concert series in O'Fallon Park, helping to revitalize that beautiful public park.

In cooperation with the St. Louis Police Department, he created "safe zones" for hundreds of children in north St. Louis to trick or treat on Halloween night.

On the Board of Alderman he serves on the following committees: Neighborhood Development; Parks and Environment; Public Utilities; Transportation and Commerce; Ways and Means; and he serves as the Vice Chair of the Committee on Convention, Tourism, Arts & Humanities. Last year he passed a bill creating a public arts trust fund in the city. He is a member of the African American Aldermanic Caucus.

He seems like the real thing and I think - we should be glad he has been there

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I am amazed at some of the opinions - Someo f you have no idea wht is it like

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to live in this neighborhood. When we first moved in this area (1979) mu husband was stopped every day by the same police officer to check his driver's license and registration. It got to the point he had to leave for work early because he know he would be stopped. This because at the time it was a majority white neighborhood. It took a letter from our attorney to the police department to make it stop. THIS IS NOT A NEW PROBLEM. My problem with the store owners in the neighborhood is that they come in and give nothing back. They will not hire from the neighborhood and they tend to be very disrespectful to customers. They have signs everywhere saying no returns no refunds. I choose not to spend my money where I feel disrespected. I hate that businesses were looted, burned and/or destroyed. But for me I am glad they will no longer be in the neighborhood. How do you think it feels to have to talk with your male children about how to act when accosted by the police, i.e. keep your hands visible at all times, never agree to search of the vehicle, and never ride with more than 2 black males in the car. I have told me sons, grandsons, let them get a warrant to search the vehicle because they can't be trusted, and if they put something in there it's your word against theirs and you can't win. My husband actually experienced an office try to put marijuana in his car. He tried to get him to pick it up, we're guessing to put his fingerprints on it but he refused. You have no idea what goes on in Ferguson MO, no idea.

All because you are black - makes my heart ache -sm

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I am as white as they come. Raised that way, and I am sure I appear that way, so I cannot completely imagine this---but I am trying.

The closest I can come to with the talks with your children about the police would be for me with my kids and stranger danger and child molesters and you have to cover that too. Who can they trust?

What a sad world we live in---only made sadder to listen to people who just refuse to believe your example exists (or they think it is just an isolated incident and so it doesn't really matter).

Ferguson still not settled-answering amazed - sm

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I re-read my OP and you might have thought I was not sympathetic. I tried to restrain myself from voicing my complete outrage by the police departments involved, the investigation, the treatment of the entire incident and the underlying racism in St. Louis/America that has created this situation to begin with. I'm sorry if my post was taken as insensitive.

My latest reaction of outrage is to the publication and frequent dispersal of the friend of the girlfriend of the officer's account of what happened, frequently referred to as "eyewitness" (without the eye?), the tape showing him supposedly strong-arming the clerk, the curfew, the national guard, the prosecutor not recusing, and Wilson still not showing up or having a direct story related to his version. I suppose it will be hard for him to come up with a believable version of shooting an unarmed teen 6 times.

Thank you so much - for sharing this

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It is hard to imagine this did not happen sooner, by what you describe. Awful situation to have to live with.

I appreciate your feelings about the businesses, I would feel the same, not wanting to give them money.

Incredible (yet credible) story about the police practices. Don't they have anything better to do than stop people like that and try to plant evidence? Maybe they have too many police then?

I understand they have set up a voting registration table and, despite the local pols not appreciating that, it seems like if anything will get people out voting it is this horrible situation that has brought to light how very unfair this town's rule has become.

I would love to see the Highway Patrol guy Ron Johnson run for something, he is a good speaker. He seems to be someone who has gained the community's trust to some extent anyway.

Thanks again for your story. I appreciate.

I am amazed at some of the opinions - eom

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It's really very, very telling. I am not amazed, however. I have been reading through some of these posts and the amount of name-calling (lost count of how many times "thug" has been used)says it all. I'm not in Missouri. Hubby and I grew up in TX, so I probably don't need to tell you what it's like there. It's just like you say, having been told yourself as a child how to "act" when YOU are the one stalked and accosted. Being followed around cheap stores (Burlington Coat Factory) because your skin color means you will steal their items (I haven't been back there since that incident, and that was a long time ago). Having to work twice as hard and then some and not being rewarded equally, but don't say anything about it because you don't want to be perceived as "angry." Basically being told to "play nice," while being treated in a mean manner. Hubby has a job in management, however his colleagues and those in non-management will sometimes get it twisted that they can go over him because they don't like that "he" has the authority to make decisions. You know I could go on and on. It makes no difference to those who already have prejudged (prejudice).

Until I read your post - I had no idea

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About the situation with the local stores. I wish the media would pick on such aspects as you have pointed out.

Also, so unbelievable about the stopping cars thing. The ridiculous make-work police work (don't they have any real crime going on, or are they just that overstaffed with terrible police officers?) that is only to keep the status quo situation going and keep those being discriminated and intimated always afraid and always on edge.

I can see why people are marching and protesting. I have heard people say Ferguson is worse than the deep South in terms of how they have institutionalized the inequality there.

Grand jury may not return until OCTOBER? - enlighten me...

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Why? What could possibly take that long.
We know who was killed, we know who killed him, we now how he was killed. We know where he was killed.

Do they wait for the results of the DNA? I thought the grand jury was preliminary to determine if there was enough to charge.

THIS IS WHAT MCCULLOCH SAID IN A RADIO INTERVIEW - TODAY

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McCulloch said he plans to present every piece of evidence — every interview, every video recording — to the grand jury. The grand jury decides whether or not probable cause exists that a crime has been committed. The St. Louis County standing grand jury is in session until early September. Their docket is set.

"We'll make extra time," McCulloch said. "We will be presenting what we can between now and the end of their term. After that, their term (will be) extended just for this case."

McCulloch has been prosecutor for 23 years. He's up for reelection again this year. He easily won the primary and has no Republican challenger in the November general election.

Sounds like he is trying the case before - the grand jury

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not just looking to see whether there is probable cause to charge. I think he is drawing it out with as much as he can to provide as much question to see if he can throw the grand jury to not indicting.

This is a grand jury to decide whether to charge Officer Wilson with a crime, correct?

Not, a grand jury to decide whether his civil rights were violated, which is federal?

It didn't have to be taken to a grand jury and then it wouldn't have been secret. Stinks some more.

P.S. The mods will complain at you if you post in caps and then some people will say you are yelling. Doesn't bother me but it must bother some.

Sorry about the upper case, thanks for the heads up - You're right

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This grand jury only decides if he is indicted. I have no idea how the feds decide if M. Brown's civil rights were violated. I found i interesting that Eric Holder came to town and did not meet with the prosecuting attorney. He is after all the highest law enforcement officer in the country, right?

He may be making the outward appearance - sm

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of making the investigations/cases seem separate???

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