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....and so it begins. Obamacare in every aspect of your life.
Posted: Jul 24, 2014
Rush said this would happen. :) It never was about healthcare, was it. Of course it wasn't.
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I would rather have Obamacare - in my bedroom
[ In Reply To ..]Than Hobby Lobby any day. At least Obamacare is on my side.
However, this article makes no mention of Obamacare at all, in fact it is just NYS agencies trying to collect data on various forms of cancer and other health issues and how they relate to sexual orientation. It is also voluntary, unlike Hobby Lobby's decision to not cover their employees.
Please tell me what on earth this has to do with Obamacare? I see nothing about it in this link.
Creative Reading & Interpreting - 101
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I shouldn't have to pay for others' birth control - nm
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Well, maybe they don't think they should have - sm
[ In Reply To ..]to pay for Viagra!
Or for being promiscuous - ED's a medical condition
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why does using - anon
[ In Reply To ..]birth control mean someone is promiscuous with you people? I'm a middle aged woman. MARRIED for 26 years. I use birth control. So do my three MARRIED daughters.
I have never seen so many women - who dont understand
[ In Reply To ..]that using birth control doesn't equal promiscuity. Scary.
No it doesn't, but that doesn't mean - I have to pay for others
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Birth control pills can be used - to treat medical conditions
[ In Reply To ..]What is so hard about understanding this? Someone mentioned that ED is a medical condition, so they don't have a problem paying for it. So what's the problem with paying for birth control for medical problems?
Yes, but it's primary purpose - is birth control
[ In Reply To ..]And as for Hobby Lobby, their issues are with Plan B and IUDs which aren't.
Plan B IS EXACTLY the same as birth control. sm - EXACTLY
[ In Reply To ..]Same pill, taken 2 at a time instead of one per day.
It does NOT cause abortion. It prevents implantation. A fertilized egg is not a fetus. KNOWLEDGE, find some.
Actually Plan B prevents ovulation. It does not prevent implantation. - me
[ In Reply To ..]The International Federation of Gynecology and Obstetrics (FIGO) has issued a statement that: "review of the evidence suggests that LNG [levonorgestreol] ECPs cannot prevent implantation of a fertilized egg. Language on implantation should not be included in LNG ECP product labeling."
So Hobby Lobby is all wrapped up in its underwear about something that gynecologists agree NEVER happens with Plan B.
Read - sm
[ In Reply To ..]It may not in every instance but it CAN.
That's still up for debate in scientific circles - RESEARCH, read some
[ In Reply To ..]and get a life.
Nope, only in fundy religious circles. - FREE BCPs for EVERYONE
[ In Reply To ..]"get a life"? are you 12 years old?
The funny thing is, if "preventing ovulation" and "preventing implantation" are the two things we're debating, NEITHER ONE is an abortion, so there goes the crazy religitards non-scientific arguments.
That's just your opinion - Disgusting handout mentality
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You mean birth control - eom
[ In Reply To ..]really controls birth?? And that's the primary function of birth control???! Just like Viagra and Cialis primarily function to make sure that a man can get it up because he can't do it on his own?? Oh, I see how the game is played - for men V and C are "treatments" that we all need to cover, but BC for women are "fun pills" for sex-crazed women that don't need covering. The delusion some of you women have is astounding.
Fun pills? *rolls eyes* - Mean, nasty liberals
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You mad? - eom
[ In Reply To ..]Stay mad.
Nope, just amused at idiocy. - nm
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In that case - eom
[ In Reply To ..]make sure you keep a mirror with you. That way you'll always be amused when you look into it.
Perhaps you should follow that advice - pot kettle black
[ In Reply To ..]nm
A classless comment in response to another one - Viagra reference
[ In Reply To ..]One poster rudely mentioned the other's husband used Viagra
I reported it and suggest others follow suit. - n/m
[ In Reply To ..]NM
Done. - nm
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Did you also report her for calling me promiscuous? - sm
[ In Reply To ..]LOL!
Who started it? - sm
[ In Reply To ..]The moderator will probably take the entire thing down.
Moderator should take the entire politics board down. - me
[ In Reply To ..]I get the feeling a good 70 percent of the folks on here aren't MTs anyway. They're too ignorant about medical matters.
Hey, you accused another poster - Fair
[ In Reply To ..]in your nasty reply of her husband using Viagra. She responded in kind. If you can't take it don't diss it.
So now we're reporting people because we don't like thier opinions? - Really?
[ In Reply To ..]First I don't agree with her, but she didn't call anyone here promiscuous.
Second that is her opinion. I thought this board was for people to give their opinions. Sometimes when we disagree it's just better to ignore them.
But really, reporting someone cos they have a difference of opinion. Gee, I better get busy cos there are a lot of people I disagree with.
Better yet - stop reporting people
[ In Reply To ..]It is childish and a wimpy way to get threads taken down when you think you are losing.
It's not a matter of differing opinions. - See msg.
[ In Reply To ..]It's about respect and name calling. One is inferring another's husband is impotent. Then, that one calls the other one promiscuous. Let's be civilized. I could care less about an opinion. We're all different. Let's just be respectful about it.
no one mentioned anyone's husband - nm
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That person EDITED HER POST. - Too funny!
[ In Reply To ..]But the moderator will be able to see the original text...LOL...
I didn't edit anything. If you look closely, you'll - sm
[ In Reply To ..]see that the MODERATOR edited BOTH posts: the original one I wrote, plus the post where I was called promiscuous.
Glad you were amused, but this time the joke is on YOU!
And oftentimes birth control pills are needed - sm
[ In Reply To ..]for women who have menstrual problems.
I should know. I was bleeding almost all the time in my 20s, and my doc told me that I either get on the pill to regulate my periods or I will wind up with a hysterectomy.
Obviously, I chose the pills, and throughout the entire time I was on them, I was celibate.
My sister has ITP and I had PCOS - My situation
[ In Reply To ..]In both situations the pill was not covered by insurance, until my doctor and hers filed an appeal, wrote a note and sent records to the insurance company, with medical proof of our conditions and how the pill treated them. The insurance company in that case covered them. This was in the 1990s before all this Obamacare insanity started.
Some of you women are - eom
[ In Reply To ..]either playing dumb, or you really are dumb. There are other medications that specifically treat ED other than Viagra or Cialis. Hows this: Since some of you have such a problem with paying for birth control for those "nasty, sex-crazed women," how about the next time you need medicine for diabetes because you eat too much crap, you pay for it on your own? I mean, after all, why should I pay to medicate your bad choices?
So now my cousin who was born with diabetes - should go without insulin
[ In Reply To ..]because you're all mad about the birth control issue? No seriously, many people are born with the juvenile form of diabetes. A much more serious condition than ED or the need for BC. Let's go a step further and deny ex-smokers cancer treatment, shall we?
Absolutely. - eom
[ In Reply To ..]I don't know you or your cousin,so his/her JD is not my concern. The family needs to buckle under and pay for those meds without my help. We don't want to start cherry-picking which medications to cover. To do so would be unfair and unbalanced, and the aim here is fair and balanced, right?
It's not a mere prophylactic diabetics can live without - the point
[ In Reply To ..]nm
Still not the problem - eom
[ In Reply To ..]of people who don't you or your family.
Comparing bcp to diabetes meds are stupid - grasping for straws?
[ In Reply To ..]I guess you ran out of material. Birth control is a choice, diabetes is a life-threatening medical condition. Period. And don't start with the Viagra either.
Speaking of picking/choosing - Should you pay for fertility drugs too?
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Do you? - eom
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My point is - if everything should be covered
[ In Reply To ..]regardless of what it's for, shouldn't fertility drugs and treatment be covered as well?
Lowest comment I've read all day - Gutter poster
[ In Reply To ..]nm
how do you feel about other people's Viagra? - nm
[ In Reply To ..]nm
It treats an actual medical condition - nm
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So do birth control pills!!!!! - What dont you understand?
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ITS PRIMARY PURPOSE - UNDERSTAND THAT
[ In Reply To ..]is for birth control!!!
So what? (And quit shouting, please). - nm
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BCP aren't the primary treatment - That's what
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My daughter - anon
[ In Reply To ..]at the age of 14 was put on birth control pills and prenatal vitamins for a new diagnosis of idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, which almost killed her. She was neither sexually active (to you that means promiscuous) or pregnant. It was the FIRST THING they did while she was in the hospital getting blood transfusions.
Ok, let's get one thing straight - That comment
[ In Reply To ..]with the p-word was in response to a poster who accused another poster of having an impotent husband. Both of them edited their posts from the original though.
My own sister has ITP, had platelet transfusions after both her kids were born and was put on steroids. Insurance didn't cover her birth control pills but the doctor wrote a note explaining her condition and she was able to get an exemption so they would be covered.
So you're ok with Obamacare covering - fertility drugs as well?
[ In Reply To ..]Keepin' it equal
birth control is not a medical condition - it's a choice
[ In Reply To ..]nm
So is Viagra! - nm
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ED IS a medical condition!! - nm
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There are other medications - eom
[ In Reply To ..]that treat ED. No man asking for Viagra is seeking treatment for ED. You do know that right? Or do you just enjoy being obtuse?
What about hands off my uterus? - NM
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Obamacare wouldn't have covered - my fertility drugs
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I wouldn't and no OC is not on our side - HL is.
[ In Reply To ..]That is why HL offers birth control, just not the drugs so that people can murder an innocent.
I don't want either in my bedroom, but at least Hobby Lobby cares about human life.
Hobby Lobby forces THEIR particular brand - sm
[ In Reply To ..]of religion down the throats of every single person who works for them.
I'm sure glad I don't!
Nobody is FORCING anything. - Sheesh! -nm
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Hobby Lobby Offers their morality - To Public Schools
[ In Reply To ..]From what I have read, this is to be offered as an elective,(Mustang Public Schools, OK) but who knows how many electives are offered, or if there is 1 and you are required to have 1 elective (elective semantics).
Interesting study choices, but I would like to equality to other religions also---don't think that is their objective though.
Thank you!! - Agreed
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We knew this was coming. I remember talking - about this. Your lifestyle
[ In Reply To ..]as well as your political affiliation can be used to determine who gets what kind of care.
Sort of like the IRS being used against one's political enemies.
In this case, it's the fault of the SCOTUS! - nm
[ In Reply To ..]As far as determining what kind of care you get, if you're against using oral contraceptives, then simply don't buy them.
Those who are interested in using oral contraceptives should have the right to get them as part of their health insurance.
You don't get to force YOUR religion down the throats of every other American woman!
And the people targeted in this instance are completely unaware. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]There is a term no longer allowed on this board, but I have to believe it's true about some people not being aware of the ramifications of certain programs or questionnaires or whatever it may be--all under the guise of let big brother help you.
I think I know what term you are referring to, - NM
[ In Reply To ..]NM
wink wink - nod nod
[ In Reply To ..]I think we all know.
Something "urks" (irks, erks sp?) me on this - sm
[ In Reply To ..]It's the first paragraph that says...
"New York State is launching a campaign to collect coordinated data on residents’ sexual orientation as part of a comprehensive effort to improve health and human services for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender New Yorkers..."
Why do they need to keep track of certain individuals? Why can't they just make a comprehensive effort to improve health and human services for EVERYONE. Why the special treatment. No person is above or below me. They should be treated the way I am and get the same benefits I do and I should be treated the same way they are and get the same benefits they do.
Am I wrong in this way of thinking?
Irks - and yes
[ In Reply To ..]I do think you are wrong.
They are saying there has been no way of collecting data about illness and disease specific to gay or transgender individuals for a number of reasons, firstly the stigma of admitting you were gay. Whether this method of data collecting is more discreet or just maybe we are more enlightened now so if someone admits they are gay nobody's going to run you out of town on a rail.
They are saying most of us all (NOT gay/transgender) HAVE been ALREADY getting the benefit of research in health problems specific to different ages, genders, even race, but apparently it has been a problem gathering data in the past of those issues specific to gay/transgender, and now it is getting easier, whether because the stigma is no longer there so much or whether they can participate in these studies without feeling threatened.
From the article:
“In the past, this wouldn’t have been likely to happen" O'Connell said, because there was so much stigma associated with being LGBT. "But that conversation really has changed over time,” he said.
“This is happening at a time when people are really rethinking LGBT rights,” O’Connell said. “LGBT rights aren’t just marriage equality. It has to do with having the same rights as everyone else."
O’Connell said the new data collection effort represents a transformation in the way the state and the government treat non-heterosexual New Yorkers.
“You’re taking something that 40 years ago was a crime and we’re at a place where people are openly talking about it,” he said. “It’s an important moment and what this shows is that we want this to be as routinely captured as any other information we gather about any other human being.”
Okay, I can admit if I'm wrong, but what you are talking about - and what I was talking about
[ In Reply To ..]are 2 different things.
First, I have to say I agree with everything you wrote. My question that I was asking was is it wrong of me to think that LGBT should be treated the same way I am get the same benefits I do, while at the same time I should be treated the same and get the same benefits that they do. I understand history and how they have been treated.
I guess it just "irked" me when I read the first paragraph believe that someone wants to treat them different. My question was (still is) am I wrong in thinking we should all be treated equally. Nobody needs to know what I do in my bedroom or theirs. Am I wrong in that. If you still say yes, then I will accept that.
No you are not wrong - but I think the point of this is
[ In Reply To ..]They DO need to know what they do in their bedrooms because LGBT people have diseases/illnesses that are specific to them.
Now we all know the stigma that was first attached to AIDS - the "gay" disease - and the horrible leper-like treatment gay men who were so afflicted by this disease got when it first attacked, so of course it has now taken 30 years to get to the point where they can study diseases/cancers that are more prevalent in gay people and try to figure out why without the stigma that used to be attached to this because we allowed the gay lifestyle to be blamed for AIDS and HIV, which it should not be.
After all, African Americans have a greater risk of heart disease, but because they have no control over their race and their genes, they are not stigmatized, they ARE educated as to their risk being greater and why and how to avoid the pitfalls.
I think we are finally getting to the point where LGBT people can be studied and become more informed if there are measures to be taken to avoid disease/cancer specific to their sexual orientation, and NOT that they should just stop being gay.
I disagree. - Another opinion.
[ In Reply To ..]I think it is a way for the government to get more information via data mining and possibly use it against us. Yes, there is some benefit to all of this, but my feeling is that it is just more big government. Read up on data mining. Put a few buzz words in there along with that phrase like debit card. Insurance companies (and big government) will know if you buy nappies, alcohol, cigarettes, ice cream, cookies, Monistat, hemorrhoid cream, etc. That's just one facet. Data mining has been used against us in this field of medical transcription. It's wide ranging and speculative, yes, but it deserves a second thought IMHO. Go ahead, call me a conspiracy theorist. I'm not, but I do listen and take notice when I hear things like this. It makes me think twice. And of course, if you are on the up and up and do EVERYTHING according to protocol and never do anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about because you are perfect in the eyes of big brother.
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