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Some South Florida docs decline to accept Obamacare


Posted: Jul 14, 2014

After being without health insurance for two years, Miranda Childe of Hallandale Beach found a plan she could afford with financial aid from the government using the Affordable Care Act’s exchange. Childe, 60, bought an HMO plan from Humana, one of the nation’s largest health insurance companies, and received a membership card in time for her coverage to kick in on May 1st. But instead of being able to pick a primary care physician to coordinate her healthcare, Childe says she repeatedly ran into closed doors from South Florida doctors who are listed in her plan’s provider network but refused to see patients who bought their coverage on the ACA exchange. “I just felt that I wasn’t being treated like a first-class citizen,’’ said Childe, who eventually found a doctor with the help of a Humana counselor. “Nobody, I don’t care what kind of degrees they have, should ever be treated that way.’’ Nearly one million Floridians enrolled in a private health plan through the ACA exchange but some, like Childe, are finding that some physicians refuse to honor their coverage — even when the doctors are included in the plan’s provider network. Some physicians say they’re concerned they won’t be paid for their services by either the insurer or the patient, and that insurers are not adequately informing doctors of their inclusion in exchange plan networks. “You don’t want to be in a situation where you provide service, and turn around and there’s no contract in place to reimburse you,’’ said Jay Millson, executive vice president of the Florida Academy of Family Physicians. For some patients, though, the elation they felt about being insured has been tempered with rejection at doctors’ offices. Sal Morales, 48, of Kendall, said a physician and her staff humiliated him when he tried to make an appointment at her Hialeah office earlier this year. “They made me feel really bad,’’ said Morales, who bought a Florida Blue plan in March and qualified for subsidies to help pay his monthly premium and out-of-pocket costs. “I felt, seriously, like I had a horrible disease that they couldn’t, or wouldn’t, or didn’t want to cure, or at least see and examine.’’ Morales, who lost his employer-provided health insurance in October when he was laid off from his job as a TV producer, said he has been turned away by at least three primary care physicians who are in his plan’s provider network. “I actually went to a doctor,’’ he said, “and in the lobby they had an 11-by-14-inch sign in bright yellow that said, ‘We do not accept anything from the marketplace [Obamacare]’.’’ But Morales said the worst experience was standing by at another doctor’s office as the receptionist called Florida Blue to verify his coverage. “They got into a screaming match,’’ he said, “with the receptionist, a lab technician and even the doctor — and me at the dividing wall, listening to all this, with about 17 patients in that little room listening to the fact that I had what I thought was the worst insurance on the face of the earth. “This person kept saying that they were not going to be taking any Obamacare insurance because they will never get paid,’’ he said. Morales said he stood his ground, and finally got an appointment. But he chose not to return after that experience. He said he finally found a doctor he likes, near his home in Kendall, and saw him for the first time July 1 — four months after his insurance took effect. Morales said his new doctor doesn’t make him feel like “a second-class citizen and that is important to me because regardless of where that insurance comes from, I still pay $145 [monthly premium].” Health plans that consumers buy on the ACA exchange are private insurance, even for consumers who receive federal government subsidies. It’s unknown how many of the 983,775 Floridians who selected a private plan have been turned away by doctors in their network but Florida’s Department of Financial Services reported receiving 63 complaints from consumers who bought a plan on the ACA exchange but could not get in to see a physician in their network. Childe said she complained to the state and to her congresswoman, U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who chairs the Democratic National Committee. Wasserman Schultz issued a statement Friday saying she has heard from “a couple of constituents’’ about this issue. “My staff has raised it with the Department of Health and Human Services as well as directly with some of the insurance companies. ... I believe the onus is on the insurers and the providers to bridge this gap and provide reliable, consistent customer service.” Bernd Wollschlaeger, a family physician in Aventura, said his contracts with insurers require him to see members from all of that insurer’s plans — unless the agreement cites an exclusion. “Once you’re a provider for an insurance company,’’ he said, “you cannot discriminate.’’ Wollschlaeger said he does not ask his patients where they bought their health insurance. But, he added, on occasion some insurers have delayed reimbursements for patients who bought their plans on the ACA exchange because the companies were waiting for the patient to pay their share of the bill. “But it’s not significant for my cash flow,’’ Wollschlaeger said of those experiences, “nor did I see any systematic effort by insurance companies to delay payment until the patient pays.’’ Wollschlaeger, a past president of the Dade County Medical Association — the largest group representing physicians in the area — said many doctors were opposed to the Affordable Care Act from the outset. “There was a strong opposition, specifically by physicians in Florida,’’ he said, adding that “even though it has simmered down a bit, whether out of resignation or exhaustion, there is an underlying resentment.’’ Wollschlaeger said he supports the ACA, but expects it will evolve to address issues such as physician payment rates by insurers. He’s also an advocate of educating consumers about their health plans, particularly those who may not have been insured before and might believe that their only obligation is the monthly premium. “They have financial responsibility,’’ Wollschlaeger said. “It’s not a free-for-all.’’ Eduardo Martinez, an internist and vice president of the Dade Medical Association, said doctors in private practice sometimes don’t have the resources to verify a patient’s benefits, or to be burdened with collecting high deductibles from patients. Martinez said his office staff has spent as much as 35 minutes on the phone trying to verify a patient’s benefits under an ACA exchange plan, and, he said, “you don’t always get the correct information.’’ “To be able to see a patient, it costs money,’’ he said. “So it’s easier to kind of avoid those patients because you don’t know if you’re going to get paid or not, and yet you have to pay your employees, and you have to pay your light.’’ A 20 percent drop in cash flow for one week, Martinez said, could mean a physician in private practice goes out of business the following week. “Nobody wants to take a chance,’’ he said. Even more vexing, Martinez said, doctors wrestle with the question of how to plan for an ACA exchange patient’s care while uncertain about that patient’s ability to meet a high deductible or co-payments. “How do I plan for a patient who needs to have surgery that’s a large amount of money,’’ he said. “Who do I send him to? Which of my colleagues do I refer him to knowing that my colleague is going to take a financial hit? The whole chain of services gets affected.’’ Martinez said physicians also are wary of the so-called “90-day grace period” for consumers who don’t pay their premiums on time. Under the federal rule, insurers are required to pay for any claims filed during the first 30 days of the grace period. But they’re allowed to hold any claims filed during the second and third months, and may deny those claims if the member doesn’t make the missed payment — leaving the doctor with a debt. Not all physicians are worried about liability, though. Some may simply be confused about their inclusion in an ACA exchange provider network because they don’t realize their contracts say they will participate in all of the insurer’s current and future products, said Jeff Scott, general counsel for the Florida Medical Association, which represents more than 20,000 physicians on legislative and policy issues. Insurers also have been using what’s known as a “silent amendment,” when company changes a physician’s contract and considers the doctor’s lack of response as acceptance. “They ... have no idea that they’ve just been signed up to participate in a plan with a patient population who are, you know, they’re probably not financially well off, and they just signed up for a plan that has a 40 percent co-payment and potentially high deductible,’’ Scott said. Millson, of the Florida Academy, said he’s heard “very little” about ACA exchange plans from the trade group’s more than 4,000 member doctors, residents and students in the state. The few physicians who have called are concerned that they have not yet received payment from some ACA exchange plans — likely because the plans are so new, he said. “What we’ve advised them is – as difficult as it is – you should work with the patient to receive a co-payment or payment up front,’’ Millson said, “and let the patient go back to the insurance company and collect it.’’ While it may not make sense to pass more financial responsibility onto patients whose low income qualified them for government subsidies to buy health insurance in the first place, physicians have to protect their ability to see other patients, too, Millson said. Insurance companies, though, say they expect physicians to honor their contracts. Nancy Hanewinckel, a spokeswoman for Humana, which sells plans on the ACA exchange in Miami-Dade and Broward counties, said the insurer received signed consent from existing providers to participate in the new networks. “In all cases, these providers voluntarily agreed to participate and signed an amendment to their existing contract,’’ Hanewinckel said. Florida Blue, which sells plans on the ACA exchange in every Florida county, did not build new networks for those plans, said Paul Kluding, a spokesman. “Based on the contracts our providers have signed with Florida Blue, they have agreed to treat our members regardless of how they obtained their insurance coverage,’’ Kluding said. He added that Florida Blue has not received many complaints from members about physicians refusing the company’s ACA exchange plans. Wollschlaeger, the Aventura physician, said he believes much of this issue is due to growing pains of the health law, and that patients, physicians and insurers will learn to work together because the old system was inefficient. “It’s a better deal than dealing with uninsured patients,’’ Wollschlaeger said. “It provides patient retention, continuity of care, the opportunity to refer patients, and ... patients come back when you want them to come back, and not when they can afford it." ;

I just found out that networds are combing and - doctors are getting added to

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networks without their knowledge or permission. Then they get calls from patients who say the doctor is listed in their handbook for their particular network. Then the doctor is made out to be the bad guy because they know they aren't likely to get paid. In some cases its better for them to stop taking all insurance and negotiate fees with the patients.

None of the specialists that I was seeing will - accept any of this new

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insurance. This includes my dermatologist, cardiologist, and gastroenterologist.

My GP says he will, but DH's oncologist won't. - Not surprised, just mad.

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nm

My husband told me when he called to - make an appointment with

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his dermatologist, there was an upfront disclaimer that they won’t accept any insurance from healthcare.gov.

I don't believe this - I was told...

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I asked my new insurance company directly if my policy could be singled out at clinics, etc., as being an ACA plan. They said there is no way that anyone can tell. It is no different than having bought it directly from MODA.

In Southern Florida? - NM

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nm

Just because you don't want to believe it does not mean - it isn't true - sm

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There are many who wish this nightmare wasn't happening to them. They wish it wasn't true. The simple fact is it true and it's happening all over the country. Doctors are simply refusing patients with OC because they will not be reimbursed. What do you suggest that doctors give away free health care?

You spoke to your health insurance. That's only one person's opinion and frankly I don't believe them.

OC is different than having bought it from MODA. Whether or not you believe it does not mean it's not true. So support OC all you want, what you want to believe doesn't change the facts.

Newsflash: There is no insurance from the Obamacare health insurance company! - sm

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Doctors are NOT refusing to take Obamacare because the Obamacare health insurance plan doesn't exist. If people buy private insurance such as United Healthcare or Blue Cross through the exchanges, there is no way for a doctor to know how it is funded unless a patient tells them. If doctors are refusing all insurance plans available on the exchanges, blame the doctor because you can't blame Obamacare for ignorant doctors. We all know certain doctors didn't suddenly become stupid the day the ACA was signed into law. LOL.

It's private insurance through private health care companies. No one has an Obamacare policy!
OC AKA Medicaid. Why don't you read some of the - doctor's blogs and see what
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they say?
Medicaid? Some doctors don't take it. - What's new?
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That was not unexpected. Some of them also won't take my insurance called Tricare. I was a soldier, and some of these idiot doctors refuse to treat me. The doctors that will take my Tricare have never not gotten paid... EVER.

The doctors that won't take my military insurance are stupid, but I don't blame Obama for their stupidity, just like I didn't blame George W. Bush or Bill Clinton when the idiot doctors wouldn't take it then either! LOL.
A patient with OC has no insurance until the - deductible is reached,
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that means that the patient must pay for the total at the doctor’s office at the time the service is rendered. Having no money the patient can’t pay. Knowing that, the presentation of an Obamacare card is an alarm bell proclaiming the patient can’t pay.

That gap was intended to be paid by the insurance policy but is not because the whole Obama scam prevents it. There is simply not enough money in the system.
That is true for all - insurance anyway
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There is no Obamacare card, is there? That was one of the first myths that was debunked.

You get insurance the same as anyone does, i.e., the same stuff as employer provided insurance, which is usually a card - and those of us who get our insurance through our employers have to pay the deductible too.
What is an Obamacare card? - sm
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Please post a picture or a link so I can see it.
Found It! It does exist, sort of.... - See link
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It sort of exists but not really! LOL. Posted link as requested.
How is that any different than my United insurance? - Nothing new. nm
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Newsflash yourself - you need to do some more research - xmbt
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You can't do a newsflash when you haven't researched a subject matter.

Doctors ARE refusing to take patients who have gotten their insurance through OC. It's happening whether or not you like it. I don't like it. I wish it wasn't happening, but the truth of the matter is it is happening.
Thank you - anon
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I came on this thread to post words to this same fact. I will repeat what you have said. The physicans/providers have NO WAY OF KNOWING how you obtained your insurance whether it is through your employer, privately or with a subsidy from the ACA. Remember when Pres. Obama said they won't call it Obamacare when it works. Too bad for them the name is sticking. I prefer not to use it as those who do, do so in a derogatory manner.

Doctors know that if a patient received an - insurance card on exchange

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there's likely a chance they won't get paid at all, but yet the doc gets all of the legal liability. I wouldn't work under these terms, knowing I might not get paid.

I must confess that I do have insurance - through my employer

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And at times when I am given the option to get billed (which luckily my local hospital/doctor allows), I do not even pay the deductible or co-pay.

Honestly, who among us MTs who have been ripped off salary-wise to the bare bone can afford a co-pay at times, when you happen to get sick or need imaging right after you paid a few bills?

There is no stigma with Obamacare, much as conservatives would like this. It is simply a way to get insured.

How about this one, I WISH I could get Obamacare because it is more comprehensive insurance with better premiums with the subsidies than the garbage my MTSO provides.

I would absolutely LOVE an Obamacare card! But of course they don't exist anyway.

I asked my dentist (Aspen Dental - because you can pay them off) if they take Obamacare, and he said "Which insurance would that be through?" - meaning they don't even LOOK at whether it's Obamacare or other insurance, it's who the insurer is.

I doubt very much whether any but the severely reality challenged and ideologically overloaded doctors would refuse to accept any insurance because it is through Obamacare. Frankly, I would not want to go to that doc anyway.

There's no way to tell and there's no difference!

Doctors can find out if a person has regular - insurance of if it's subsidized

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though an established company. Same company, but different co-pays, etc.

And WHEN the person being subsidized decides that $200 per month with a $5000 deductible is just too much to pay, and they stop making agreed to premiums, the policy gets cancelled. AFTER the doc has seen them and rendered care. So they get NOTHING! Mark my words, this is already happening. An "insurance card" does not guarantee "health care." An OC card may not be a "real" physical thing, but in essence it exists.

The very same thing would happen if someone with a non-Obama subsidized plan decided to stop paying premiums. The policy is cancelled. And docs don't take expired insurance, no matter how shiny the card is.

As usual with conservatives' complaints about Obamacare, I don't see the big deal here. - sm

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Quote: "Mark my words, this is already happening." Newsflash: Obamacare didn't invent this! Anybody can present any "insurance card" where the premium has not been paid; they can do it with car insurance, health insurance, dental insurance, optical insurance, ANY insurance. It's pretty much the same outcome as hospitals treating people through the emergency room who never pay, only isn't that a WAY higher percentage, but they're not going to shut down emergency rooms because some people don't pay. The costs are still passed to the consumers who do pay, but those costs are a lot less than the old status quo that just kept exploding health care costs. Nothing new.

If this is the latest reason to repeal Obamacare, then it's an overblown stupid reason, in my opinion.

Obamacare byproduct? - sm

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My husband's doctor became a membership only doctor. You have to join his MDVIP for $1650 a year to see him. The care is supposed to be better, but who can afford it?

Firstly, this doctor and those like him seem - like jerks

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Secondly, what does that have to do with Obamacare? I don't see the connection at all.

If some doctor chooses to be an elitist idiot, even if I could afford it, why would I pay to be a "VIP"?

What exactly does he offer for that price anyway? Just the privilege of going to him? I don't get it.

obama carebyproduct? - me

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Just curious if anyone thought maybe he thought Obamacare was going to drive him out of business, low payment or something, so he went elitist. Our community cannot afford this sort of doctor. A few can, and probably are subscribing, but not too many. Guess I put it under Obamacare because I figured people would attribute it to Obamacare. I think he is still looking for participants.LOL
I could see if for that price you got - something free up to a point
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Sort of maybe if you have no insurance or very basic insurance you could pay his fee and at least for that you get 2 free checkups and/or some other basic tests/vaccinations free.

Also if he let you pay by the month or something, that might make a little bit of sense, but does he say what he is offering, if anything, for that?

If you have to pay just for the privilege of having him for your doctor and nothing else is offered, it sounds like a scam really.
Nothing free - me
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You just get the reassurance that he will be available and will give a comprehensive evaluation of your healthcare, blah, blah, blah. Sounds like a movie star doctor, but we are in a town of 100,000 in the Midwest?? You still pay copays and everything else as far as I can tell.
This seems like it should be illegal - but I guess buyer beware
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Since with most things that seem shady in business it is probably not technically illegal.

Surely the doctor can't be hurting financially so that he is compelled to extort money out of people?

Honestly, I would have a problem with this and even if I had the money (which I don't, of course) would not fork it out just out of principle.

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